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Old April 16 2014, 07:28 PM   #16
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Re: Star Trek Special: Flesh and Stone - July 2014

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I hope it's a fun story - this would literally be the first ever crossover to feature characters from all 5 series !!
Ahem...

http://en.memory-alpha.org/wiki/Star...e_and_the_Bold

Also, Destiny arguably features characters from all five series if you count Leonard James Akaar, who appeared as a newborn infant in TOS: "Friday's Child." And DTI: Watching the Clock includes characters from all five series if you count TAS as a continuation of TOS, since Loom Aleek-Om from "Yesteryear" is in it. Although, granted, neither features lead characters from all five series -- but TB&TB does.
OK first single official [not that the books aren't official - counting fan fiction] story to feature main characters from all 5 series
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Old April 16 2014, 08:01 PM   #17
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Cool. Nice to see some non-Abrams comics again.
Seems weird to be that they would do such a fanwanky crossover comic and NOT include the new McCoy too.

McCOY PRIME (looking over his counterpart): "I'm a doctor, not a bodybuilder!"
I think it would be needlessly confusing, actually. "Why are there two McCoys? How did AltMcCoy get there?" On a fanwank-level, sure, why not. But altMcCoy adds nothing to the pot, really. Ostensibly, Urban's McCoy is the closest to the original character, too.

I have a feeling, based on the floating heads for Pulaski, McCoy and Phlox that we're going to see the EMH, Crusher and Bashir using log entries from the past.

That is a rather odd depiction of Bashir, though. (And the uniform shoulders are mis-colored.)
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Old April 16 2014, 08:12 PM   #18
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^Right. Both McCoys are the same person, just in different timelines. You might as well have the two Saaviks or the three Tora Ziyals meet.
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Old April 16 2014, 10:45 PM   #19
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Re: Star Trek Special: Flesh and Stone - July 2014

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I hope it's a fun story - this would literally be the first ever crossover to feature characters from all 5 series !!
Ahem...

http://en.memory-alpha.org/wiki/Star...e_and_the_Bold
I think most people will only count a story as a true 5-series crossover if the main characters from each series actually appear together in the same scenes and same timeframe.
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That is a rather odd depiction of Bashir, though. (And the uniform shoulders are mis-colored.)
I know, right? The blurb claims that Crusher, Pulaski, Bashir, and the EMH are at a conference, and so they must all be together in person at some point not long after Voyager's return. So it doesn't make sense for Bashir and the Doctor to be wearing mid-DS9/VOY TV uniforms.
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Old April 16 2014, 11:10 PM   #20
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Re: Star Trek Special: Flesh and Stone - July 2014

If you look closely they also have the post-First Contact uniform ribbing on the shoulders, so I think someone just screwed up when they were adding the colors.
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I hope it's a fun story - this would literally be the first ever crossover to feature characters from all 5 series !!
Ahem...

http://en.memory-alpha.org/wiki/Star...e_and_the_Bold

Also, Destiny arguably features characters from all five series if you count Leonard James Akaar, who appeared as a newborn infant in TOS: "Friday's Child." And DTI: Watching the Clock includes characters from all five series if you count TAS as a continuation of TOS, since Loom Aleek-Om from "Yesteryear" is in it. Although, granted, neither features lead characters from all five series -- but TB&TB does.
OK first single official [not that the books aren't official - counting fan fiction] story to feature main characters from all 5 series
I'm not sure what you mean here. The comics and books are both licensed through CBS, so they are both equally official.
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Old April 16 2014, 11:31 PM   #21
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I think most people will only count a story as a true 5-series crossover if the main characters from each series actually appear together in the same scenes and same timeframe.
The sentence said "literally... the first ever crossover to feature characters from all 5 series." The "literally" means the sentence must be taken exactly as phrased.
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Old April 17 2014, 12:38 AM   #22
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If you look closely they also have the post-First Contact uniform ribbing on the shoulders, so I think someone just screwed up when they were adding the colors.
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Ahem...

http://en.memory-alpha.org/wiki/Star...e_and_the_Bold

Also, Destiny arguably features characters from all five series if you count Leonard James Akaar, who appeared as a newborn infant in TOS: "Friday's Child." And DTI: Watching the Clock includes characters from all five series if you count TAS as a continuation of TOS, since Loom Aleek-Om from "Yesteryear" is in it. Although, granted, neither features lead characters from all five series -- but TB&TB does.
OK first single official [not that the books aren't official - counting fan fiction] story to feature main characters from all 5 series
I'm not sure what you mean here. The comics and books are both licensed through CBS, so they are both equally official.
Aah sorry there for lack of clarity

Of course the books and comics ARE official however some fan films are very very well known even if they are not official.

I thought this was the first single story to feature 'regular' characters from all 5 Treks - Brave and the Bold is an anthology - if you count guest characters Destiny is possibly the first as the omnibus is one long mega-novel however I had no idea about Watching The Clock.

Either way I am slightly obsessed with Trek crossovers so this should be lots of fun
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Old April 17 2014, 12:44 AM   #23
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I thought this was the first single story to feature 'regular' characters from all 5 Treks - Brave and the Bold is an anthology - if you count guest characters Destiny is possibly the first as the omnibus is one long mega-novel however I had no idea about Watching The Clock.

Either way I am slightly obsessed with Trek crossovers so this should be lots of fun
Indeed. I love it when main characters from multiple series appear and work together.
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Old April 17 2014, 12:57 AM   #24
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I thought this was the first single story to feature 'regular' characters from all 5 Treks - Brave and the Bold is an anthology - if you count guest characters Destiny is possibly the first as the omnibus is one long mega-novel however I had no idea about Watching The Clock.

Either way I am slightly obsessed with Trek crossovers so this should be lots of fun
Indeed. I love it when main characters from multiple series appear and work together.
Indeed; who knows - it could lead to a bigger crossover? Four ships [Five with Defiant!] (an a space station) time travel team-up mini-series for the 50th?!

Knowing IDW they'd throw in the JJ crew too through a vortex! Lmao maybe they could take Spock Prime home while they're at it
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Old April 17 2014, 02:57 AM   #25
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Wasn't there also a story in Tales of the Dominion War which involved Crusher and Bashir working together with an EMH Mark 1, McCoy was somehow involved, and they were working from files of Phlox's notes and logs?
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Old April 17 2014, 03:12 AM   #26
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Wasn't there also a story in Tales of the Dominion War which involved Crusher and Bashir working together with an EMH Mark 1, McCoy was somehow involved, and they were working from files of Phlox's notes and logs?
Why, yes, you're right! "Mirror Eyes" by Heather Jarman and Jeffrey Lang. The use of Phlox's notes is only briefly referenced at the end, but is pivotal in solving the problem.

But I'd say it falls short of a full crossover, because the EMH is not the same individual from Voyager, and Phlox's involvement is peripheral.
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Old April 17 2014, 04:22 AM   #27
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Why, yes, you're right! "Mirror Eyes" by Heather Jarman and Jeffrey Lang. The use of Phlox's notes is only briefly referenced at the end, but is pivotal in solving the problem.

But I'd say it falls short of a full crossover, because the EMH is not the same individual from Voyager, and Phlox's involvement is peripheral.
That sounds closer than The Brave and the Bold to me - I don't recall there being any interaction between the various series in those books.
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In Brave and the Bold it's a common enemy the bridges the TOS-era to the TNG-era. The final part does involve TNG characters, DS9 characters and Ambassador Spock and there's an offhand mention to Voyager's logs and Archer's logs.

"Mirror Eyes" is pretty fun, though.
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So no true 5-series crossover has ever been made? Pity. It seems like a lucrative opportunity to me. Though I suppose it would be difficult to have every single main character from all 5 series to have a meaningful role.
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Old April 18 2014, 10:06 AM   #30
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Brent Spiner's planned sequel to Nemesis would have been a "Justice League of Trek", using time travel to resurrect Data and bring together all the crews (or rather, all the actors they could afford/would agree to appear) against a similar alliance of Trek villains. It was cancelled in favour of a Romulan War movie which was also cancelled in favour of the excellent reboot.
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