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Old April 3 2014, 07:47 AM   #16
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So what you're really saying, is that there's 10 more of them back home?

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Old April 4 2014, 12:09 AM   #17
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I think Astrometrics is the border between the main view screen and the holodeck. It's 3D projection may make it easier to create paths.
Actually, now that you mention it, I think it's also taken some functions that are better suited to the holodeck environment.
They're not interacting with the stars and planets so the holodeck isn't needed.

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I am sure the Delaney sisters were bored to death in that lonely closet full of charts. I bet when 7 was obviously worth a dozen of them in her astrometric prowess they were THRILLED to escape.
Yeah, Stellar Cartography was built for the Alpha Quadrant. They were learning what's in the Delta Quadrant the same time as Voyager traveled. They were basically useless.
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Old April 4 2014, 12:38 AM   #18
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Cartography means mapmaking. (Sorry.)

JANEWAY: Ensign Kim and Seven of Nine have merged Starfleet and Borg ingenuity to create this new technology, and I'm sure I speak for the entire crew when I say, thank you. Now, how the hell does it work?
SEVEN: Astrometric sensors measure the radiative flux of up to three billion stars simultaneously. The computer then calculates our position relative to the centre of the galaxy.
KIM: This mapping technology is ten times more accurate than what we've been using. Seven, will you do the honours? We've plotted a new course home.
SEVEN: By my estimates this trajectory will eliminate five years from your journey.
NEELIX: Our journey. Nice work, Seven.
Astrometrics means "measuring" the stars. (Maybe?)

The real question, is how did they used to make maps?

Long range scans can barely see a couple days ahead of their position.

If that's as good as it got, then Stellar Cartography probably only showed Voyager where it had been, and how to back to where it had been, which is really no help at all, except in the cases of Jetrel, Hope and Fear, and Resolutions.

Meanwhile Astrometrics showed everything (Well as close to everything as 3 billion stars counts.) allllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllll the way home.
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Old April 4 2014, 01:03 AM   #19
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Voyager had a Stellar Cartography "area" when it left Deep Space Nine in Caretaker. The Delaney sisters worked there. Thanks to Seven of Nine, they don't work there any more. Stupid Borg taking good decent Starfleet officers jobs.

They're probably swabbing the lower decks now.
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There is no swabbing. Sonic-ing maybe.
Whether its swabbing or sonic-ccc-ing this prospect isn't that bad. They would be sure to have a lively time bouncing their own cosmological theories off of Hardcore Harren!!!
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Was Voyager ever able to positively identify the location of known stars before Astrometrics was installed?
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I believe the real-life reason was because they needed to give Seven of Nine a big role and her own "area" other than the cargo bay. Forget where I read and/or heard that, but I believe Kate mentioned it in an interview that they built Astrometrics FOR Seven. Which I have no complaint about, I thought it was awesome. Who wants to be stuck in the cargo bay all day. And you knowwww Seven would not want to take orders from B'Elanna in Engineering (even though Seven's head probably comprises all of the knowledge of the entire engineering crew...). But yeah it seems as though science/engineering/astrophysics were her strong suits and Astrometrics kind of emcompasses all of those skills in one.
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Old April 4 2014, 02:24 AM   #22
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Aeroponics was just for Kes.

No Kes, no Aeroponics.

They had a spare set.

Why not give it to Seven?
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Was Voyager ever able to positively identify the location of known stars before Astrometrics was installed?
Well, present-day technology is sufficient to detect an individual planet around a star about 21,000 light-years away (the ``super-earth'' OGLE-2005-BLG-390Lb), and there's a spectroscopic analysis of what may be a single star, known by the catchy name SDSS J122952.66+112227.8, in the Virgo galaxy cluster something on the order of 55 million light-years way. Obviously that's an extreme case, but, I should expect Voyager to be pretty well able to detect ``celebrity'' stars --- ones with some particularly attractive-to-study feature --- just about wherever the ship is in the Milky Way.
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Old April 4 2014, 03:46 AM   #24
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You can't workout that you are 70,000 light years from home, unless you know where you are, and where your home is.
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I believe the real-life reason was because they needed to give Seven of Nine a big role and her own "area" other than the cargo bay. Forget where I read and/or heard that, but I believe Kate mentioned it in an interview that they built Astrometrics FOR Seven. Which I have no complaint about, I thought it was awesome. Who wants to be stuck in the cargo bay all day. And you knowwww Seven would not want to take orders from B'Elanna in Engineering (even though Seven's head probably comprises all of the knowledge of the entire engineering crew...). But yeah it seems as though science/engineering/astrophysics were her strong suits and Astrometrics kind of emcompasses all of those skills in one.
This makes a lot of sense. With many more resources to draw on and being able to avoid absolutely having to burnish her politesse (at least until the latter stages) by being stationed on the bridge or engineering, Seven had the ideal work environment to parallel her home hangout. Not to say that she was left to be solitary on her own personal island there, but I think one can say that Astrometrics gave her the true opportunity to be a "MASTER OF HER DOMAIN"
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Old April 4 2014, 06:22 AM   #26
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Aeroponics was just for Kes.

No Kes, no Aeroponics.

They had a spare set.

Why not give it to Seven?
She's been sealed off form plants virtually her whole life. I'm sure her thumbs are borg silver.
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Old April 4 2014, 02:37 PM   #27
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I believe the real-life reason was because they needed to give Seven of Nine a big role and her own "area" other than the cargo bay.
Like I said, her place should have been to the left of Janeway. It's labelled Ops.
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You can't assimilate plants

And Bad Thoughts, "left of Janeway", YES.
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Why can't they assimilate plants?

http://en.memory-alpha.org/wiki/Vilix%27pran

"budding" makes me think that he's a plant.

But he has wings!

(Flying plants?)

Yet "Hatching" seems off kilter with flora.
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