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Old May 4 2014, 08:05 PM   #211
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Re: Anyone receive "These Are The Voyages..." Season 2 yet?

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Yes, but the "strange new worlds" was but one of the three parts of the stated mission in the teaser. What about "seeking out new life and new civilizations" and "boldly going where no man has gone before"
I'd have to look at the pitch document again, but I believe the language you're talking about wasn't written until the last minute in 1966, right before the series debuted.
That's what the Solow/Justman book indicated... they had to keep after GR to write the intro up to a month before premier week.
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Old May 4 2014, 09:32 PM   #212
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This is not my quote.
Sorry about that. Sloppy quote tag editing on my part...

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Old May 5 2014, 12:57 PM   #213
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Oh, I love the in-character letters that Kelly and Nimoy wrote to Spockinalia! Hysterical!
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Old May 5 2014, 05:41 PM   #214
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Old May 8 2014, 09:48 PM   #215
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Interesting, Star Trek beat 2001 in airing a story about a computer controlled ship trying to kill people to preserve its existence.


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Old May 8 2014, 10:33 PM   #216
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Arrived yesterday. Was planning on saving it for a long plane trip, but ended up reading a quarter of it last night. Oops.

Initial impressions :

Once again a mountain of scripts and memos were analysed and if you are a student of writing you will really enjoy tracing the evolution of the scripts and judging for yourself whether changes were for the better or not.

Presentation of the written text is a lot better this time. There's still typos, but not as many so far. Unfortunately the referencing is a shambles again here. I would love to know what went wrong. It won't bother many fans, but if you are interested in finding sources for assertions, you will be frustrated.

The author is of the belief that Star Trek was a smash hit that was cruelled by a network who didn't like Roddenberry. He hasn't made the case for me yet, but this argument is infused through the text, which may or may not bother you.

Justman's memos steal the show again. Some of them are truly hilarious. What an asset he was to that show.

This volume is worth a buy for the detailed script evolutions and the rare photos (although they are black and white), but if the other points above will bother you, wait for the e-book.
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Old May 9 2014, 05:12 PM   #217
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I don't think that he thought Trek was a smash hit, he is just showing it wasn't the ratings disaster that people made it out to be in the 70s and 80s. Yes, the narrative is that one of the big checks against Trek was that NBC was getting fed up in dealing with Roddenberry.


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Old May 9 2014, 06:29 PM   #218
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I don't think that he thought Trek was a smash hit, he is just showing it wasn't the ratings disaster that people made it out to be in the 70s and 80s. Yes, the narrative is that one of the big checks against Trek was that NBC was getting fed up in dealing with Roddenberry.


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Old May 9 2014, 09:23 PM   #219
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Reading interviews like this...

http://trekmovie.com/2013/10/27/excl...-marc-cushman/

...make it pretty evident that Cushman believes the ratings weren't low and in fact were good. He is, of course, quite wrong in this belief, which isn't supported by the facts. It seems likely that Cushman saw how Trek was performing in its timeslot (at least, on the half hour), decided Trek was a hit, and worked backwards from there. Suffice it to say, this isn't a strong way to conduct research or make an argument, but I am sure it helps sell books to have a marketing hook like that. Which is not to say I believe Cushman is primarily motivated by sales -- he just a very enthusiastic fan who, unfortunately, doesn't know what he's talking about.
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Old May 9 2014, 11:40 PM   #220
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Reading interviews like this...

http://trekmovie.com/2013/10/27/excl...-marc-cushman/

...make it pretty evident that Cushman believes the ratings weren't low and in fact were good. He is, of course, quite wrong in this belief, which isn't supported by the facts. It seems likely that Cushman saw how Trek was performing in its timeslot (at least, on the half hour), decided Trek was a hit, and worked backwards from there. Suffice it to say, this isn't a strong way to conduct research or make an argument, but I am sure it helps sell books to have a marketing hook like that. Which is not to say I believe Cushman is primarily motivated by sales -- he just a very enthusiastic fan who, unfortunately, doesn't know what he's talking about.
All of that said, the question I have is what do the ratings that he's printed really say then? I have both books, for every episode he lists the "share" or the percentage of the television audience watching a given program, and the number of households that equates too. If and when Star Trek has the larger numbers in each case, what does that really mean? He also laid out at least one weeks overall rankings for all network programs. Star Trek wasn't in the top ten, but it was in the top 40, ahead of other shows like Gunsmoke, Hogan's Heroes, all of Irwin Allen's sci-fi, and Mission: Impossible. He may have cherry picked that example to publish, but could you explain what these numbers really mean? Or is it the consensus he's lied and just made these numbers up? I am sincerely curious.
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Old May 10 2014, 04:44 AM   #221
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In short, the ratings numbers are real, but the interpretation is a mess. The long version is impossible for me to type on my phone. When I get internet again I can write in more detail.
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Old May 10 2014, 04:52 AM   #222
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In short, the ratings numbers are real, but the interpretation is a mess. The long version is impossible for me to type on my phone. When I get internet again I can write in more detail.
Thanks Harvey, I look forward to hearing more when you get the chance . . .
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Old May 11 2014, 03:21 PM   #223
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Reading interviews like this...

http://trekmovie.com/2013/10/27/excl...-marc-cushman/

...make it pretty evident that Cushman believes the ratings weren't low and in fact were good. He is, of course, quite wrong in this belief, which isn't supported by the facts. It seems likely that Cushman saw how Trek was performing in its timeslot (at least, on the half hour), decided Trek was a hit, and worked backwards from there. Suffice it to say, this isn't a strong way to conduct research or make an argument, but I am sure it helps sell books to have a marketing hook like that. Which is not to say I believe Cushman is primarily motivated by sales -- he just a very enthusiastic fan who, unfortunately, doesn't know what he's talking about.

and you do?

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Old May 11 2014, 03:26 PM   #224
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Reading interviews like this...

http://trekmovie.com/2013/10/27/excl...-marc-cushman/

...make it pretty evident that Cushman believes the ratings weren't low and in fact were good. He is, of course, quite wrong in this belief, which isn't supported by the facts. It seems likely that Cushman saw how Trek was performing in its timeslot (at least, on the half hour), decided Trek was a hit, and worked backwards from there. Suffice it to say, this isn't a strong way to conduct research or make an argument, but I am sure it helps sell books to have a marketing hook like that. Which is not to say I believe Cushman is primarily motivated by sales -- he just a very enthusiastic fan who, unfortunately, doesn't know what he's talking about.
All of that said, the question I have is what do the ratings that he's printed really say then? I have both books, for every episode he lists the "share" or the percentage of the television audience watching a given program, and the number of households that equates too. If and when Star Trek has the larger numbers in each case, what does that really mean? He also laid out at least one weeks overall rankings for all network programs. Star Trek wasn't in the top ten, but it was in the top 40, ahead of other shows like Gunsmoke, Hogan's Heroes, all of Irwin Allen's sci-fi, and Mission: Impossible. He may have cherry picked that example to publish, but could you explain what these numbers really mean? Or is it the consensus he's lied and just made these numbers up? I am sincerely curious.

He is showing Trek was doing okay on its night, but overall when compared to everything else on TV it was basically in the middle. Cushman has been analyzing the show on an episode by episode night of broadcast basis, and is saying that Trek was doing okay it wasn't in the tank as was claimed in the 70s and 80s. That is all you heard back then. Trek was a ratings disaster and didn't find its audience until syndication. Which isn't exactly true either.

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Reading interviews like this...

http://trekmovie.com/2013/10/27/excl...-marc-cushman/

...make it pretty evident that Cushman believes the ratings weren't low and in fact were good. He is, of course, quite wrong in this belief, which isn't supported by the facts. It seems likely that Cushman saw how Trek was performing in its timeslot (at least, on the half hour), decided Trek was a hit, and worked backwards from there. Suffice it to say, this isn't a strong way to conduct research or ake an argument, but I am sure it helps sell books to have a marketing hook like that. Which is not to say I believe Cushman is primarily motivated by sales -- he just a very enthusiastic fan who, unfortunately, doesn't know what he's talking about.

and you do?

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I won't claim to be authoritative on the subject, but Cushman makes enough sloppy mistakes in his analysis that I think I have a better grasp on the subject than he does.
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