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Old March 21 2014, 04:12 PM   #1
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Kronos One study model (possibly)

I haven't seen these pictures anywhere before so.....

I happened to be looking at John Eaves' facebook page, and on one of his March 13th entries he posted some detail pictures of the Kronos One model. A person named Jon A. Bell replied with several pictures that he says was a study model built by Bill George as a possibility for the Klingon ambassador's ship, until it was decided just to refurbish the TMP model.

Does anyone else have any clue as to how true this may be? It's an interesting looking model, regardless.

Here's the pics:






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Old March 21 2014, 04:28 PM   #2
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I'm glad they reused the TMP model!
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Old March 21 2014, 06:54 PM   #3
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Bill George told me about the study model during an interview in November 1991, but I never saw a picture of it. There's something about the front end that reminds me of the ship at the beginning of PHANTOM MENACE a teensy bit. It could be legit, I think.

I really miss Eaves' website, guess i oughta check the facebook page
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Old March 21 2014, 06:59 PM   #4
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With Klingon design and two necks, it reminds me of a ship described in an old Trek novel (something to do with a "cosmic scramble"?) as belonging to a Klingon subject race. I'm glad they reused the D-7 instead (although I'm sure it was more about cutting costs than anything else)
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Old March 21 2014, 07:09 PM   #5
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George designed TUC's shuttlecraft to intentionally reflect a sensibility between TOS and TNG. I don't really see a ton of the ModernTrek klingon influence in this though, even though TNG had already introduced their new klingon starship by this point.
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Old March 21 2014, 11:06 PM   #6
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This would have been better (had it existed at that time:




http://www.klingon-empire.org/forum/...Klingon-Models

Now the ship at the start of this thread I could see as something used by a third party in the FASA no-man's land called "The Triangle."

RELS ship would have done nicely too.
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Old March 22 2014, 03:27 AM   #7
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^^ That is actually rather funky. Althoughough it's a challenge to rationalize two necks. Kinda neat, though.
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Old March 22 2014, 09:32 AM   #8
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I know Jon A. Bell. He's a friend of Bill George's and mine, so it''s likely authentic.

Such study models are just to get a general idea of a proposed design and be able to see how it looks from any angle. The final results (e.g. the Excelsior) are often a lot different, but keep the general shapes.
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Old March 22 2014, 12:54 PM   #9
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^Awesome. I wonder if Mr. Bell might have any other photos of interesting George stuff. Two things that immediately spring to mind are the "duck" Excelsior study model and the "dumpster ship" in Spacedock that might have been a Merchantman study.
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Old March 22 2014, 07:30 PM   #10
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The old Excelsior study models, you mean.

Here is a good artist who has freshened up that Duck design
http://s149.photobucket.com/user/pau...?sort=3&page=1
http://s149.photobucket.com/user/pau...?sort=3&page=1
http://s149.photobucket.com/user/pau...?sort=3&page=1

Those belong to Paul Cairnross
http://www.starshipmodeler.net/talk/...profile&u=1078

Planet of the Titans and Freedom
http://s149.photobucket.com/user/pau...?sort=3&page=1
http://s149.photobucket.com/user/pau...?sort=3&page=1

The originals
http://en.memory-alpha.org/wiki/Excelsior_class_model
http://www.neutralzone.de/database/F...tudyModelI.htm
http://www.neutralzone.de/database/F...yModelII05.htm
http://www.pinterest.com/pin/166211042470802636/

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Old March 22 2014, 08:55 PM   #11
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I'm rather sorry this one didn't win the prize!

Hmm.. The fairly flat piece we see is quite possibly waiting for conventional warp nacelles that would go either above and below the ship (there's room for four, at the top and bottom ends of those vertical fins), or less probably astern between those "mandibles".

The "doubly everything" effect would certainly establish this ship as being fit for Chancellors, and perhaps too much for the Enterprise to chew...

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Old March 23 2014, 01:26 PM   #12
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It`s ugly, in a good way.
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Old March 24 2014, 02:48 PM   #13
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Very interesting design, is there a realistic chance to learn what the artist might have had in mind regarding the function of some components "in-universe"? (or just another "look cool" thing).

In my opinion this design could pass for a pre-TOS Klingon ship, where they still needed two "spines" for stability of the primary hull before the Klingons managed to just do with one.

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Old March 24 2014, 04:12 PM   #14
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Is it just me or do the images from the OP seem to be broken?
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Old March 24 2014, 04:26 PM   #15
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Re: Kronos One study model (possibly)

137th Gebirg wrote: View Post
Is it just me or do the images from the OP seem to be broken?
Still working for me.
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