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Old March 27 2014, 10:11 PM   #1
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It's kind of odd that NOT ONE recurring player was promoted to regular

I've always liked seeing long-running recurring actors get promoted to main cast billing (David Berman and Jon Wellner on "CSI", Bill Brochtrup on "NYPD Blue", Jim O'Heir and Retta on "Park & Rec", etc.) so, while I know nine actors is a rather large case, in retrospect I'm surprised that NOT ONE of the show's dozen or so recurring actors were promoted to regulars, even when a vacancy opened up at the end of season 6. Aron Eisenberg or Andrew Robinson would've been the most likely candidates, in my opinion, but really I would've been happy to see any of them get their names in the opening credits.

What do you think?
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Old March 27 2014, 10:19 PM   #2
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Re: It's kind of odd that NOT ONE recurring player was promoted to reg

I agree. Nog and Garak did far more for the show than Jake Sisko (whom I didn't mind at all - it's just that Jake was a fairly minor character).

They should have axed Jake as a regular by the time Nog was assigned to DS9. I think they should've axed Dax as a regular in S7.

I would have liked to see Damar/Weyoun as regulars as well, only because they're my two favourite Trek characters, EVER.
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Old March 27 2014, 10:22 PM   #3
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Re: It's kind of odd that NOT ONE recurring player was promoted to reg

You could argue that one of the leads was a recurring character who was promoted. After all O'Brien was a recurring character on TNG who was promoted to regular on DSN.
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Old March 27 2014, 11:23 PM   #4
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Re: It's kind of odd that NOT ONE recurring player was promoted to reg

The only Star Trek series to add a recurrin' character to the openin' credits was the original series, when they added DeForrest Kelley. Rumor is if it had gotten a fourth season, James Doohan would be added, as well.

TNG subtracted from their credits, and Diane Muldaur was only a "special guest star" for the entirety of the second season.

VOY didn't have enough recurrin' characters to justify a promotion to openin' credits.

And again, rumors, but had ENT gotten a fifth season, Jeffrey Combs would have been added...though how he would have fit in the command structure of the NX-01 is anyone's guess.

Point is, I'm not surprised that recurrin' characters weren't added. The franchise doesn't have that kind of history, and a name in the openin' credits means a paycheck, whether ya are in the episode or not, which is why some main characters only get a scene or line of dialogue in episodes (see Odo & Quark in the second Mirror Universe episode).
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Old March 27 2014, 11:28 PM   #5
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Re: It's kind of odd that NOT ONE recurring player was promoted to reg

Does Worf count? He appeared on DS9 on TNG before being a main cast member.
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Old March 28 2014, 01:15 AM   #6
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Re: It's kind of odd that NOT ONE recurring player was promoted to reg

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I agree. Nog and Garak did far more for the show than Jake Sisko (whom I didn't mind at all - it's just that Jake was a fairly minor character).

They should have axed Jake as a regular by the time Nog was assigned to DS9. I think they should've axed Dax as a regular in S7.

I would have liked to see Damar/Weyoun as regulars as well, only because they're my two favourite Trek characters, EVER.
A significant part of why Avery Brooks agreed to do the show was the father-son relationship. So if they'd dropped or demoted Cirroc from the cast, Avery likely would have left too. No joke. Those two are as close in real life as on screen. Avery's son is also Cirroc's best friend.
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Old March 28 2014, 01:30 AM   #7
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it's all about $$$$ and budgeting.
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Old March 28 2014, 01:35 AM   #8
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Re: It's kind of odd that NOT ONE recurring player was promoted to reg

Out of all the recurring characters, the only one I could see being promoted to regular is Nog. He was a Starfleet officer assigned to DS9. He may not have been a senior officer, but he appeared often enough (I think he may have had the most appearances of all the recurring cast) and even served as Defiant helm officer in the last season.

The others served a specific purpose and didn't require an appearance every week. This includes Garak. While he was a great character, having sporadic appearances meant that they could save him for the bigger episodes and not have him needlessly appear every week just because he's contractually obligated to.
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Old March 28 2014, 02:22 AM   #9
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Re: It's kind of odd that NOT ONE recurring player was promoted to reg

The only recurring player in STAR TREK who's ever been really jerked around was Diane Muhldar (sp.) who played Dr. Kate Pulaski. Especially someone like that who played such a pivotal role in a couple of the best episodes of TOS. Kirk just LOVED kissing up on Pulaski, when her rose was in bloom, that's for sure ...
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Old March 28 2014, 04:50 AM   #10
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Re: It's kind of odd that NOT ONE recurring player was promoted to reg

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And again, rumors, but had ENT gotten a fifth season, Jeffrey Combs would have been added...though how he would have fit in the command structure of the NX-01 is anyone's guess.
Actually that one's legit. Mike Sussman and Manny Coto have confirmed it. Interestingly, Jeffrey Combs didn't learn this until after the show was cancelled.

If they could find some vague position for Worf (what exactly does a "Strategic Operations Officer" do, anyway?), it couldn't be any harder to find one for Shran.

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You could argue that one of the leads was a recurring character who was promoted. After all O'Brien was a recurring character on TNG who was promoted to regular on DSN.
But not on the same show.

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Does Worf count? He appeared on DS9 on TNG before being a main cast member.
No, because he was never a recurring character on either show.
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Old March 28 2014, 05:58 AM   #11
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The only recurring player in STAR TREK who's ever been really jerked around was Diane Muhldar (sp.) who played Dr. Kate Pulaski. Especially someone like that who played such a pivotal role in a couple of the best episodes of TOS. Kirk just LOVED kissing up on Pulaski, when her rose was in bloom, that's for sure ...

Yeah, that whole "Muldaur/McFadden/Maurice Hurley thing was pretty crappy...my dislike for Pulaski as a character did not prevent me from empathizing with the screw job Muldaur got...

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Old March 28 2014, 07:03 AM   #12
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And again, rumors, but had ENT gotten a fifth season, Jeffrey Combs would have been added...though how he would have fit in the command structure of the NX-01 is anyone's guess.
Actually that one's legit. Mike Sussman and Manny Coto have confirmed it. Interestingly, Jeffrey Combs didn't learn this until after the show was cancelled.

If they could find some vague position for Worf (what exactly does a "Strategic Operations Officer" do, anyway?), it couldn't be any harder to find one for Shran.
Worf's transfer to DS9 counted as a promotion, though, when he went from tactical to strategic operations, which was a command-level position, thus the red uniform.

Shran was already a starship captain. Any position he took on the NX-01 would make him subordinate to both Archer and T'Pol.

Which is why I can't imagine where he'd be as a regular on the series...'cause I just don't see Shran takin' orders from T'Pol.
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Old March 28 2014, 10:53 AM   #13
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I am surprised that there isn't much explanation to how Shran would have fit on Enterprise. Proud and experienced, he could not be Archer's inferior. Indeed, there probably was little thought given to how Shran would fit it, so maybe it might never have happened.

That said, Garak is the model for Shran as a permanent role. Shran could not be a SF member or even an Enterprise crewmember. Instead, he could be a strategic or technical attache. Or he could have commanded a group of Andorian marines who replace the MACOS on the ship. Either way, Shran should be a rival to Archer, not an inferior.
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Old March 28 2014, 04:12 PM   #14
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And again, rumors, but had ENT gotten a fifth season, Jeffrey Combs would have been added...though how he would have fit in the command structure of the NX-01 is anyone's guess.
Actually that one's legit. Mike Sussman and Manny Coto have confirmed it. Interestingly, Jeffrey Combs didn't learn this until after the show was cancelled.

If they could find some vague position for Worf (what exactly does a "Strategic Operations Officer" do, anyway?), it couldn't be any harder to find one for Shran.
Worf's transfer to DS9 counted as a promotion, though, when he went from tactical to strategic operations, which was a command-level position, thus the red uniform.

Shran was already a starship captain. Any position he took on the NX-01 would make him subordinate to both Archer and T'Pol.

Which is why I can't imagine where he'd be as a regular on the series...'cause I just don't see Shran takin' orders from T'Pol.
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I am surprised that there isn't much explanation to how Shran would have fit on Enterprise. Proud and experienced, he could not be Archer's inferior. Indeed, there probably was little thought given to how Shran would fit it, so maybe it might never have happened.

That said, Garak is the model for Shran as a permanent role. Shran could not be a SF member or even an Enterprise crewmember. Instead, he could be a strategic or technical attache. Or he could have commanded a group of Andorian marines who replace the MACOS on the ship. Either way, Shran should be a rival to Archer, not an inferior.
I suppose you could argue that Worf's assignment was a promotion, of sorts (if not in actual rank), since he apparently took on greater responsibilities (though we still don't know what they were), and became the de facto first officer of the Defiant ("Paradise Lost" / First Contact), until he wasn't ("Tears of the Prophets").

As for Shran, yes that would've definitely amounted to a demotion, but premise isn't totally out of left field. It was hinted at at the end of "The Aenar", and his superiors may have felt his close association with humans was compromising his judgment.

And yes, I think there's dramatic potential in this new arrangement and seeing Shran cope with it. His relationship with Archer would clearly have to change (he probably wouldn't be able to keep calling him "pink-skin", which, frankly, I thought was getting old anyway). You certainly wouldn't be able to have him be a "rival" to Archer (you can't have someone challenging the captain's authority week after week).

So, yes there'd be some technicalities to work out, but I think it would've worked out quite well.
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As for Shran, yes that would've definitely amounted to a demotion, but premise isn't totally out of left field. It was hinted at at the end of "The Aenar", and his superiors may have felt his close association with humans was compromising his judgment.

And yes, I think there's dramatic potential in this new arrangement and seeing Shran cope with it. His relationship with Archer would clearly have to change (he probably wouldn't be able to keep calling him "pink-skin", which, frankly, I thought was getting old anyway). You certainly wouldn't be able to have him be a "rival" to Archer (you can't have someone challenging the captain's authority week after week).

So, yes there'd be some technicalities to work out, but I think it would've worked out quite well.
Fair enough, though I would like to see Trek break out of x number of characters sitting on the bridge in pre-defined positions, staring at a TV. I believe that Garak did some button pushing in Sacrifice of Angels, but mostly he was there as an expert rather than someone doing a job. It expands on DS9's vision of collaboration between societies. More of that feeling could be maintained if Shran were out of uniform (like Garak) or in an alternative uniform (like Kira or T-Pol, season 1-2).
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