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Old March 24 2014, 04:33 PM   #31
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I knew Ms. Oliver was a pilot, but I had no idea she was rated for jets! Sweet!

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Old March 25 2014, 02:41 AM   #32
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The blurays also feature two different versions of "Where No Man Has Gone Before." I personally like the grainy look of the original version (which was transferred from a 16mm source and is on the third season set).

I have a soft spot for the original VHS release of "The Cage." It was one of the first Trek episodes I bought on video and I watched the hell out of it. I loved the Roddenberry intro, even if he was spouting bullshit.
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Old March 25 2014, 04:44 AM   #33
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I prefer the restored version.

In fairness most of "The Cage" can be seen in "The Menagerie" and what's dropped is largely inconsequential. Two scenes in particular are dropped from "The Menagerie" and I can see why.

The first is Pike's commenting on having women on the bridge. It really doesn't make sense even when it was filmed because other women can be seen on the bridge besides Number One. The second scene shows Spock taking command and ordering the ship to break orbit to escape. This does make Spock look bad and it's easy to see why it wouldn't be included in "The Menagerie."

Of course, the entirety of "The Cage" couldn't fit into the alloted running time so it only make sense that the footage dropped would be that not really serving the story.

Other than those two scenes I mention it's then mostly very small trims.
I SEE. Well it looked like a boring episode but I will watch it just for kicks.
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Old March 25 2014, 04:45 AM   #34
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The blurays also feature two different versions of "Where No Man Has Gone Before." I personally like the grainy look of the original version (which was transferred from a 16mm source and is on the third season set).

I have a soft spot for the original VHS release of "The Cage." It was one of the first Trek episodes I bought on video and I watched the hell out of it. I loved the Roddenberry intro, even if he was spouting bullshit.
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Old March 25 2014, 06:47 AM   #35
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In fairness most of "The Cage" can be seen in "The Menagerie" and what's dropped is largely inconsequential. Two scenes in particular are dropped from "The Menagerie" and I can see why.

The first is Pike's commenting on having women on the bridge. It really doesn't make sense even when it was filmed because other women can be seen on the bridge besides Number One. The second scene shows Spock taking command and ordering the ship to break orbit to escape. This does make Spock look bad and it's easy to see why it wouldn't be included in "The Menagerie."

. . . Other than those two scenes I mention it's then mostly very small trims.
Some of the other cuts, IIRC:

After Pike questions why Vina wears the same metal fabric as the Talosians, she coyly replies: "Well, I have to wear something. Don't I?"

Just before the Orion slave girl illusion, the Keeper remarks: "A curious species. They have fantasies they hide even from themselves."

During the Orion sequence, the guy in the Starfleet uniform says: "Funny how they are on this planet. They actually like being taken advantage of."

(There were cuts made in this sequence even before the pilot was screened for the NBC suits. Right after the leering bald guy says "Almost like secret dreams a bored ship captain might have," there's an abrupt edit on the soundtrack.)

A substantial amount of dialogue was cut from the picnic scene.

The Keeper's description of Number One: "The female you call Number One has the superior mind and would produce highly intelligent children. Although she seems to lack emotion, this is largely a pretense. She has often has fantasies involving you."

No doubt some of that stuff was cut to satisfy the network censors.
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Old March 25 2014, 02:07 PM   #36
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The restored version on the DVD and Blu-Rays are both missing the line from Pike "you were like a wild little animal" during the picnic scene. It is on the unrestored version, however.

The Blu-Ray also has the opening shots of the Enterprise in black and white, even though the titles are in color. Even when the ship "dives" to reveal the bridge, color only comes in on the yellow square up top and the bridge scenes themselves. The DVD restored print is in full color.
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Old March 25 2014, 04:45 PM   #37
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(There were cuts made in this sequence even before the pilot was screened for the NBC suits. Right after the leering bald guy says "Almost like secret dreams a bored ship captain might have," there's an abrupt edit on the soundtrack.)
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Old March 26 2014, 02:23 AM   #38
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Some of the other cuts, IIRC:


Just before the Orion slave girl illusion, the Keeper remarks: "A curious species. They have fantasies they hide even from themselves."

That line was actually "spoken" by the second Talosian. In the color DVD version of The Cage, it's been misattributed to the Keeper and correspondingly raised in pitch. Easy mistake to make when they don't move their lips.


Two lines that don't appear in either the color or the color/B&W restoration:

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Old March 27 2014, 04:26 AM   #39
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Two lines that don't appear in either the color or the color/B&W restoration:

I've never heard these lines. Thanks.
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Old March 27 2014, 03:08 PM   #40
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Two lines that don't appear in either the color or the color/B&W restoration:

I've never heard these lines. Thanks.
Werren't those two lines in the televised "Menagerie"?
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Old March 27 2014, 03:26 PM   #41
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Werren't those two lines in the televised "Menagerie"?
I wouldn't think so, because then they would automatically have been included in restored versions of The Cage.
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Old March 27 2014, 04:16 PM   #42
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Not necessarily. The "wild little animal" line is in The Menagerie but not in the restored versions of The Cage on DVD or Blu-Ray.
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Old March 27 2014, 04:45 PM   #43
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Not necessarily. The "wild little animal" line is in The Menagerie but not in the restored versions of The Cage on DVD or Blu-Ray.
That's true, but in The Menagerie wasn't the "wild little animal" line spoken during a "shown on the viewscreen" process shot, as opposed to appearing in fullscreen? That could have made a difference if they were editing around it. Or maybe the error was made when they were adding in the line about "A curious species..." and accidentally omitted Pike's adjacent line in the process.

If I had my DVD of The Menagerie with me, I'd just check it now instead of speculating about all this...

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Old March 27 2014, 04:53 PM   #44
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Funny, when Pike used that description, one gets the impression he compared her to a timid and delicate doe or fawn. At least, that's what I thought from the way he said it. But when the Talosians "pick up" on this, into what do they change Vina? A savage "wild cat", something that would devour the "timid little doe"...and Pike for that matter...and not in a nutritional sense!

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Old March 27 2014, 05:07 PM   #45
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Funny, when Pike used that description, one gets the impression he compared her to a timid and delicate doe or fawn. At least, that's what I thought from the way he said it. But when the Talosians "pick up" on this, into what do they change Vina? A savage "wild cat", something that would devour the "timid little doe"...and Pike for that matter...and not in a nutritional sense!

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The Talosians may have found some Freudian thingy in Pike's mind that was sublimating a "wildcat" image into a more acceptable image of a helpless wild creature, thus causing him to "hide his fantasies even from himself." That's assuming that in the TOS universe Freud was "right."
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