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Old March 22 2014, 02:56 AM   #31
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Could have put him in just a loin cloth, I think Ted could have made it work.
Yeah, Ted could have worked it. In the late 60s, he showed up as Tarzan in Storybook Squares, a Saturday kid's show version of Hollywood Squares, with celebrities as fictional characters.
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Old March 23 2014, 12:07 AM   #32
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Hmm, what IS the story behind the turntable replicator?
Way before my time, but in the mid 1960's early fax machines would have one sheet of paper on a cylinder, it was placed in the fax machine and the cylinder would spin at high speed in front of the scanner for half a minute.

(THIS is how people did business?)

That might have been the inspiration for the device we see.

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Old March 23 2014, 07:30 AM   #33
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Way before my time, but in the mid 1960's early fax machines would have one sheet of paper on a cylinder, it was placed in the fax machine and the cylinder would spin at high speed in front of the scanner for half a minute.

(THIS is how people did business?)

That might have been the inspiration for the device we see.

Possible but unlikely, I should think. A cylinder and a turntable are quite different. Maybe the turntable was used because it was relatively easy to build and looked both technological and magical.

There were places where I worked that still had those spinning-cylinder analog fax machines in the 1980s.
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Old March 23 2014, 01:11 PM   #34
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One gripe: the realism of the episode suffers a bit during the turntable sequence. The film speed-up is visually unconvincing. On top of that, the scene ignores the simplest laws of physics as they would have affected Kirk if he was really spun that fast.

You have to take it as poetic license in the visual narrative.
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Old March 23 2014, 02:01 PM   #35
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^ Artificial gravity and a inertial damping field? From Kirk's perspective the room was spinning, he was stationary.

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Old March 23 2014, 02:14 PM   #36
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^ Artificial gravity and a inertial damping field? From Kirk's perspective the room was spinning, he was stationary.


Worst case of bed spins evar.
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Old March 24 2014, 02:40 AM   #37
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So, nevermind Dr. Soong's groundbreaking work on the positronic brain, all he needed to build Data was a paper-mache mannequin and a giant record player..
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Old March 24 2014, 05:29 AM   #38
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So, nevermind Dr. Soong's groundbreaking work on the positronic brain, all he needed to build Data was a paper-mache mannequin and a giant record player..
And some really big knobs.

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Old March 24 2014, 05:56 AM   #39
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Which nobs are we talking about...?

Seriously, you need to crop out Sherry Jackson if I'm supposed to notice set/prop details.
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Old March 24 2014, 06:17 AM   #40
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I was watching this episode the other night, and almost failed to notice Ted Cassidy in the scene when Andrea was playing with her knobs.
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Old March 24 2014, 11:29 AM   #41
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I was watching this episode the other night, and almost failed to notice Ted Cassidy in the scene when Andrea was playing with her knobs.

Any man would be invisible standing there. There's a good anecdote in Inside Star Trek (Justman, Solow) about how the studio commissary was suddenly hushed as Sherry Jackson entered for lunch in that costume.
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Old March 24 2014, 08:11 PM   #42
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So--what do we make of Roger Korby committing suicide? (and Andreacide). Was this proof that the process was so sophisticated/advanced that whatever constitutes the identity of Roger Korby was in the android, and it was not merely a copy? Or that he was still just a copy of the real Korby, but sophisticated enough to despair unto "death"?

Korby sure thought he was Korby.

Personally I've always felt that this was deliberately left ambiguous, and like the episode better for that; but maybe some folks can reason out something more definitive. The existence of two Kirks simultaneously supports the they-are-only-copies thesis...but I always thought something was different about Korby's case. For one thing, I assumed he got the more sophisticated treatment (by Ruk) that Ruk did in his creation by the "Old Ones."
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Old March 25 2014, 08:19 AM   #43
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I'm not quite sure - why would "only a copy" be different from "he is the android"? Surely being a copy means being identical, I mean.

Then again, the machinery must be capable of some fine-tuning, as it made the second Kirk willing to engage in deception and actions directed against Starfleet and his friends, even when it retained all of his wit and charm and initiative. We don't really know of a reason why Ruk would fine-tune Korby... But Ruk had initiative of his own, and might have seen it useful to turn the copy of Korby into a passionate fan of the Old Ones and of android existence, while the original Korby might not yet have possessed those qualities.

Ultimately, we're left wondering whether the Kirk copy was in any way related to the Korby copy, or the henchmen copies. After all, Kirk was made of a lump of goo, while Korby and his assistants had circuitry and mechanisms inside them, just beneath the skin. Did that goo transform into mechanisms inside the second Kirk, too? Or were there mechanisms inside the goo all along? Those of the Korby bunch being so close to the skin make that a bit unlikely, as the lump wasn't Kirk-shaped to begin with, but that's something we can easily handwave away.

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Old March 27 2014, 04:49 PM   #44
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Korby was persuaded he had his "soul" in the machine. He said himself the Kirk android was a sophisticated imitation without the "soul". That explains why the android has been caught by the "I'm sick of your half-breed interference, do you hear?". But for Korby? That's weird because it seems he realized himself by saying he can calculate anything that he was more a computer than he believed. In fact, his suicide seems to prove he still had a part of Korby's humanity. It wasn't a logical suicide like M-5.
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Old March 27 2014, 04:52 PM   #45
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Was it cold in that cave?

... Oh, never mind. Just forget I was here.
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