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Old March 22 2014, 09:32 PM   #31
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Re: Krenim vs. Dept. of Temporal Investigations

It would have been a handy way to eliminate damage done by the Borg, pre Caeliar.

Just do an archive of Borg tech--save it from history being re-written and send it to memory alpha.

This device is perfect for protecting the time line. go back in the timeline, do what you want, harvest the tech/data, then have the weapon ship eliminate itself, and the harvested knowledge of this past can co-exist with the restored timeline.
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Old March 22 2014, 11:05 PM   #32
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As long as trillions of trillions of trillions of people don't mind being treated like raped labrats to satisfy one political bodies indulgences.

Janeway put a coalition together from a number of worlds near the end of Year of Hell who were mad as hell and were not going to take it any more.
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Old March 26 2014, 12:47 AM   #33
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Has anyone here cared to mention that the Krenim who altered history for their own ends were Imperium renegades from an "erased" alternate timeline who end up getting erased and reset? We barely see the prime timeline Krenim in the conclusion of "Year of Hell, Part II" and the minds of some assimilated Krenim in Seven's mind in "Infinite Regress".

I wonder though. It would appear in the conclusion of "Year of Hell, Part II" that Annorax did not develop the temporal weapon ship in the prime timeline. And Voyager encountered a Krenim patrol who warned them off instead of firing on them as in "Before and After". So do the prime Krenim have chroniton torpedo technology? If they have mastery of time-based weapons in the prime timeline, then shouldn't the Borg have acquired time travel/starship weapon advancements from that? Because "Infinite Regress" showed that the Borg had assimilated Krenim by 2375. However as pointed out in DTI: Watching the Clock, Temporal Accords enforcers work hard to prevent the Borg from acquiring time travel.
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Old March 26 2014, 01:05 AM   #34
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Yes.

That's been mentioned.

The materials used to to build the weapon were erased from time, some of which might have been very exotic and incredibly rare. Rare enough perhaps that it could take generations more to harvest more, if ever.
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Old April 2 2014, 04:22 AM   #35
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After awhile, Annoraxes timeship became a drug for captain and crew. Poor Annorax suspended in his 200 year mission that did nothing except give him the willy-nilly's. He desired to bring his ship in to port and end the mission except he couldn't trust the incursion. A true lack of faith.
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Old April 2 2014, 04:27 AM   #36
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He wanted his wife back.

No drug, no metaphor, no transference.

However...

Did he want her back because she was lovely, or because the universe was cockblocking him?

Things you are not allowed to have seem more precious than they really are.
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Old December 17 2014, 07:13 PM   #37
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I'm bumping threads like crazy tonight

Something Guy Gardener said about time police in the 24th century and the 29th century got me thinking

Presumably these various time guardians all liaise with each other somehow. I mean if there's an incursion in the 23rd century then who goes there to fix it? The time police from the 24th century, from the 25th century, from the 26th century, from the 27th century, from the 28th century or the time police from the 29th century?

These different time agency's must communicate with one another otherwise they'd all turn up at the same incursion in the 23rd century (thousands of ships from countless eras appearing) this doesn't seem to happen so they must be aware of each others actions and have regular meetings or something

And if something changes in the past then how would they know (reality would change around them) so are they all on ships that exist outside of time?
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Old December 17 2014, 08:39 PM   #38
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I'm bumping threads like crazy tonight

Something Guy Gardener said about time police in the 24th century and the 29th century got me thinking

Presumably these various time guardians all liaise with each other somehow. I mean if there's an incursion in the 23rd century then who goes there to fix it? The time police from the 24th century, from the 25th century, from the 26th century, from the 27th century, from the 28th century or the time police from the 29th century?

These different time agency's must communicate with one another otherwise they'd all turn up at the same incursion in the 23rd century (thousands of ships from countless eras appearing) this doesn't seem to happen so they must be aware of each others actions and have regular meetings or something
Maybe they have a headquarter in, say, the 24th Century, and once they decide who should handle a problem, they just leave a message to be opened at the appropriate time.

And if something changes in the past then how would they know (reality would change around them) so are they all on ships that exist outside of time?
If you go by the novelverse, the DTI have an archive that's encased in some kind of quantum vault and will notify them if any discrepancies crop up.
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Old December 17 2014, 10:58 PM   #39
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They build Starbases outside of time, and temporally shield planets.

You are only thinking about how the temporal authorities of the Federation co-operate through out the ages with other temporal Authorities of the Federation? But what happens when the Romulans defeat the Federation in the 31st century? Does the Star Empire pretend to still be the Federation to the earlier humanic time zones so that their recent past (the domination of Earth) will still come to pass? Or do they go back and conquer all history one day at a time? Yeah, filing their ears down and lying a lot does seems much easier.

As far as the novels went, the current day blokes we saw in Deep Space Nine met with Daniels from Enterprise on occasion and accepted orders from him, since they still believed that he represented a future version of the Federation who had their best interests at heart. Lucsly (One of the pen pushers from Deep Space Nine.) wanted to put Janeway's face through a plate glass window because she was a horribly evil selfish time criminal, but Daniels wouldn't let him because her time crimes were the only thing that stopped certain Borg victory in every other timeline they had ever monitored, and coincidentally was established & necessary history in his own timeline, and she still had some important things to do that wouldn't be possible from a jail cell.

Hux. Cloaking shields. Invisibility is an important tool to make sure you don't fuck up the past. Only a higher order of science can see through a lower order of sciences cloaking shield. Yes 400 ships might show up to each prickly wrinkle in time, but the least advanced ship thinks that it is alone, and the only the most advanced ship really knows how many ships are present, but no one is absolutely sure if they are the most advanced ship.
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Old December 17 2014, 11:06 PM   #40
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I'm bumping threads like crazy tonight

Something Guy Gardener said about time police in the 24th century and the 29th century got me thinking

Presumably these various time guardians all liaise with each other somehow. I mean if there's an incursion in the 23rd century then who goes there to fix it? The time police from the 24th century, from the 25th century, from the 26th century, from the 27th century, from the 28th century or the time police from the 29th century?

These different time agency's must communicate with one another otherwise they'd all turn up at the same incursion in the 23rd century (thousands of ships from countless eras appearing) this doesn't seem to happen so they must be aware of each others actions and have regular meetings or something

And if something changes in the past then how would they know (reality would change around them) so are they all on ships that exist outside of time?
You want to read this fantastic novel:

Loosely, jurastiction goes downtime (into the future) - the further ahead a time cop comes from, they get control of the case. Altho things get a little sticky when...
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Old December 17 2014, 11:22 PM   #41
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Say his name 5 times into a mirror, and he will appear...
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Hux. Cloaking shields. Invisibility is an important tool to make sure you don't fuck up the past. Only a higher order of science can see through a lower order of sciences cloaking shield. Yes 400 ships might show up to each prickly wrinkle in time, but the least advanced ship thinks that it is alone, and the only the most advanced ship really knows how many ships are present, but no one is absolutely sure if they are the most advanced ship.
But that would mean the least advanced ship would be the one that always dealt with the situation since they would believe they were the only ship there (but we know ships from further into the future have dealt with things so that can't be right) So if ships from various time zones aren't all turning up at the same time that means they must communicate and agree who deals with what or they arghhh!.....no forget it, my brain hurts

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Loosely, jurastiction goes downtime (into the future) - the further ahead a time cop comes from, they get control of the case. Altho things get a little sticky when...

Which supports the idea that they must communicate with one another in some fashion and have some kind of procedure

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I struggled with "Homecoming" and decided the novels weren't for me.....it seemed like the right place to start but maybe that was an error
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If the least advanced ship can't handle it, a more advanced ship steps in. If that ship is above it's head, an even more advanced ship from further ahead in the timeline then steps in. Of course if no one from the future does manifest to save the day invisibly or otherwise, it's a small hint that there is no one upstream that cares about you. Either because your side lost and has no more bases in the more distant future or your destruction is necessary to the preservation of established history.

Look at how many times the USS Relativity secretly tried to help Voyager, no matter how many times Voyager blew up in the episode Relativity, by winding back time and making subtle changes, until every one lived.

For all we know there was a permanent team of Time Agents garrisoned on Voyager making sure that nothing deviated from what had to happen, just like Daniels served as Archer's Yeoman for months cataloguing the final days of Enterprise before it was destroyed in episode 11 of season one.
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Old Yesterday, 04:29 AM   #44
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I think the Dept of Temporal Investigations have just decided "However history was when we were first founded, that's the canonical timeline".
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The Department of Temporal Investigations (indigenous to the 2370s.) short of using natural phenomenon like the Guardian of Forever does not know how to do that. They have no reliable method of time travel that they trust, so they don't even try to time travel. Their job as near as I can tell is to make an accurate record of history and highlight time travellers "appearing" so that future more advanced generations in the Federation can act upon their intelligence. I think Christopher might have said in his novel that like Warehouse 13, another part of their job is to lock shit down. Hold atemporal stuff from the future out of harms way until the present catches up, and help integrate travellers from the past into the present.

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