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Old March 15 2014, 11:28 PM   #16
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Old March 15 2014, 11:34 PM   #17
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I do believe that's the first time I've ever seen someone class "The Doomsday Machine" as "unwatchable." Different strokes...
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Old March 15 2014, 11:41 PM   #18
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How would you have preferred he die in that episode?
You seem to be misunderstanding my objection. I don't object to the death. Earp gunning him down before the big Gunfight at OK Corral was fine. I just didn't like the love triangle they set up to achieve it. A romance subplot was unnecessary to the story.
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Old March 16 2014, 01:07 AM   #19
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For all the criticism Season 3 gets, some of Star Trek's (TOS's) most memorable hours of television are in that season. It isn't a write-off by any stretch of the imagination, although the decreased budget does begin to show after the third or fourth 'bottle show' in a row. My point is, the scripts themselves were often as strong as ever, maybe even stronger in some places than past seasons had been.
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Old March 16 2014, 02:16 AM   #20
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My favorite is "Spectre of the Gun", due to the complete unreality of the whole experience. I like the Melkot, though they're just a variation on Talosians. The crew sees the artificiality of the setting just as we do, they know it can't be real, but they have to deal with it on its own terms. I think the episode's effectiveness would have been diminished if they could have afforded to shoot on the backlot and use full interior sets.
Yeah, the surreal nature of the setting for the characters really makes the episode all the more memorable and interesting. I wonder if any sci-fi shows today could get away with such ... minimalist (if that's the proper term) sets?
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Old March 16 2014, 02:32 AM   #21
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Old March 16 2014, 02:44 AM   #22
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How would you have preferred he die in that episode?
You seem to be misunderstanding my objection. I don't object to the death. Earp gunning him down before the big Gunfight at OK Corral was fine. I just didn't like the love triangle they set up to achieve it. A romance subplot was unnecessary to the story.
Yes, I get you didn't like the "mushy" stuff. But if you were writing the episode, how would you have killed Chekov? It's not enough to say "Earp gunning him down was fine." What would Earp's motive be, if not for his objection to Chekov talking to the girl?
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Old March 16 2014, 02:55 AM   #23
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It has a few great episodes, but for the most part I find its reputation to be well earned. The scripts aren't as tight and the budget just isn't there.
Season 1 and Season 2 was much better overall.
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Old March 16 2014, 03:17 AM   #24
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You seem to be misunderstanding my objection. I don't object to the death. Earp gunning him down before the big Gunfight at OK Corral was fine. I just didn't like the love triangle they set up to achieve it. A romance subplot was unnecessary to the story.
It also calls into question why the Melkotians would have included that bit in the first place. Remember, it was she who instigated things, not Chekov.

Other than that, fine episode. It's amazing that in those days, what with westerns being so popular on tv, that it took Trek three years to use a western motif in a story!

Shatner seemed to be unusually good in this episode. Many subtle things, such as the look in his eyes during the "Why here? Why now?" scene was great. You could just see Kirk searching vainly for an answer which wasn't coming. I even like the way he played the "Beautiful specimen." scene regarding the antique gun. And of course his pleading with the Sheriff was among my favorite Kirk scenes ever!
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Old March 16 2014, 03:23 AM   #25
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Yes, I get you didn't like the "mushy" stuff. But if you were writing the episode, how would you have killed Chekov? It's not enough to say "Earp gunning him down was fine." What would Earp's motive be, if not for his objection to Chekov talking to the girl?
Earp wouldn't have needed much motivation, he's a Melkotian puppet. He already doesn't like the Clantons, so his motivation could have been as simple as Chekov accidentally bumping into him on the street or looking at him the wrong way. An experienced television writer would have had dozens of ways to bump him off without making them romantic rivals.

I'm not a writer, I've never claimed to be a writer, so it doesn't matter how I would have written a different scene.
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Old March 16 2014, 03:51 AM   #26
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I like a lot of the third season episodes. Two of my top five favorite TOS episodes are from the third season - "The Enterprise Incident" and "The Tholian Web" It would have been interesting to see how many of the third season episodes and the overall look of the show would have been different if there had been a bigger budget.
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Old March 16 2014, 04:23 AM   #27
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There were a few good episodes of Season 3, but generally speaking, the quality of the season was not that good.
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Old March 16 2014, 10:11 AM   #28
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You should visit my workplace sometime. The caste system is alive and well in the U.S. tech industry, trust me.
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Old March 16 2014, 12:24 PM   #29
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Season 3 might not be as "critically acclaimed" as the previous seasons, but I like it.

One of my favorites is Spock's Brain (gasp). Another is Turnabout Intruder (double gasp). As bad as they are, they are full of Trekness.

My list of unwatchable episodes includes "Children" (Melvin Belli and the little girl who cries in everything she's in), "Battlefield" (really, it's just ridiculous), "Doomsday" (William Windom's 'Don't you think I know that?!'). "The Enterprise Incident" is only saved by the tension between Spock and the Romulan babe. There are others, but I get tired of typing.

Seriously though, I love TOS. All of it. Even the stuff I don't like is still better than a ton of other stuff that I like even less.

It's all good.
Doomsday? Is that a season 2 episode?
Yes. The point was that I like some episodes that most people hate, and I don't like some that I never in my wildest imaginations thought could be fan favorites.
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Old March 16 2014, 12:39 PM   #30
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Hmmm. Well, to borrow a phrase, I'm of two minds about that.

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I do believe that's the first time I've ever seen someone class "The Doomsday Machine" as "unwatchable." Different strokes...

My introduction to William Windom was in "My World and Welcome To It." I did not see "Doomsday" until well after the sitcom was canceled. Seeing Windom's portrayal of Decker didn't set right, and I've never been able to get past it. It ruined "Doomsday" for me.
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