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Old March 15 2014, 04:59 PM   #16
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I just hope for a book that is proper history of the original series.
Right up your alley, Harvey. Your objective outlook would work for such a project.

And include some nice pics, too.
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Old March 15 2014, 05:04 PM   #17
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I just hope for a book that is proper history of the original series.
Agreed. Something that's written from a more journalistic perspective.
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Old March 15 2014, 05:05 PM   #18
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That I'd love to see. But I bet with the issues of low rez models of the DE and the fact that the SLV only exists in 4:3, this is unlikely. Not impossible. Just unlikely.
The easiest solution would be to simply have all three versions on the disc and forget about branching.
The problem there is purely practical, unless they substantially dropped the bitrate on one or more versions, there simply isn't enough room on a standard dual layer Blu-ray. A multiple disc release would be the only solution for separate encodes.
Well, the reason I say it's not impossible is because of the lengths CBS has gone to for the Remastered TOS and TNG blu-rays, but with the ridiculous Paramount owning the films and CBS owning the TV shows deal, it makes it unlikely. Paramount doesn't seem to want to spend real money on doing the films properly... again. (The DVD releases were pretty solid for the most part. But they weren't forward thinking enough.) The real issue is, are you going to want to see low resolution models in 1080p? Are you really going to want to watch a film in HD either fully in 4:3 or in 480i on Blu-Ray?

If Paramount ponied up the money and did a re-render of all of the DE effects in 4k and if they'd pay an editor to splice the 16:9 deleted scenes in HD (which do seem to exist on the current Blu-Ray), then cool, let's do it. But also, yeah, a true remastering would also be in order for this and the other original series films plus Generations. The remaining films look fine.

Therein lies the true practicality. Would Paramount make its money back off of a project of this magnitude? Or would general audiences say, "Eh, my current DVDs/Blu-Rays/streaming videos/videotape versions are fine."
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Old March 15 2014, 05:12 PM   #19
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I want to see an epic movie or mini-series featuring something from all eras and every series of Star Trek. Time travel elements might be a necessity only because of Enterprise and TOS set centuries behind the rest of Trek. If we can't have or don't want time travel, then choose some major elements from those two series to incorporate.

Some big, epic sweeping story featuring some form of combined crew (doesn't have to be all cast members, just representatives from each series) visiting locations we're familiar with and battling some galactic threatening adversary or event.

That's what I want.
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Old March 16 2014, 09:42 AM   #20
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Of all the suggestions here, I think remastered movies from 4K scans are probably the most likely. And a documentary. And of course ST 3.
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Old March 16 2014, 03:03 PM   #21
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I think it's a fair comment to say that the BBC treat Dr Who fans very well during their anniversary which makes me wonder what a billion dollar studio like Paramount will do for us.

I thought it might be fun to make some suggestions or speculations here.

Here's two off my wish list to get the ball rolling:

1) A definitive documentary about the making of Star Trek (TOS) including it's explosion in syndication in the 70's and leading up to the first movie. Lucas had that puff piece "Empire of Dreams" on his SW DVDs, surely we deserve as good, if not better.

2) A new CGI animated adventure written by D.C. Fontana and voiced by the remaining cast with Chris Doohan as Scotty and Karl Urban as McCoy. Something that can bring a close to the original 5 year mission.


Those are my thoughts, what do you guys want to see?
Documentary: A TOS documentary would be great...but I doubt the same, overused GR political myths will be trashed as they should be (the NBC stuff), or too many references to latter day parodies such as The Simpsons, Futurama, etc. (as if that gives TOS a "seal of approval" the series earned decades ago).

A truly serious documentary would dig up as many period references (filmed or print) as possible, and start there, to see the series through the lens of the 1960s, instead of the tired opinions and perceptions of hindsight regurgitated since the syndication years--ramped up with the debut of TMP.

Finally, NO shoehorning TNG-JJ into the piece. That has nothing to do with the origin, production of cultural effect of TOS, and we do not need this to serve as advertising and/or legitimacy of the JJ films (in the way some original Star Wars trilogy pieces had to force the prequels into the narrative, no matter how inappropriate).

Merchandise: Aside from that, some smart company should take another stab at a ready-made, 33 inch 1701 again. Yeah, Unobtanium and Master Replicas already walked down that road, but Unobtanium's miniature was a disaster (no structural integrity), and MR's was too expensive for such a limited production run.

We are aware that Round 2 has this scale as a model kit, but some prefer a professionally built item (and do not have the time to glue something together).

They say "third time's the charm," so another 33-inch 1701 (with FX or not) would be a great hallmark for the 50th anniversary.
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Old March 16 2014, 03:32 PM   #22
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Documentary: A TOS documentary would be great...but I doubt the same, overused GR political myths will be trashed as they should be (the NBC stuff), or too many references to latter day parodies such as The Simpsons, Futurama, etc. (as if that gives TOS a "seal of approval" the series earned decades ago).

A truly serious documentary would dig up as many period references (filmed or print) as possible, and start there, to see the series through the lens of the 1960s, instead of the tired opinions and perceptions of hindsight regurgitated since the syndication years--ramped up with the debut of TMP.

Finally, NO shoehorning TNG-JJ into the piece. That has nothing to do with the origin, production of cultural effect of TOS, and we do not need this to serve as advertising and/or legitimacy of the JJ films (in the way some original Star Wars trilogy pieces had to force the prequels into the narrative, no matter how inappropriate).
Completely agree. This is the only proper way to do it.

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Merchandise: Aside from that, some smart company should take another stab at a ready-made, 33 inch 1701 again. Yeah, Unobtanium and Master Replicas already walked down that road, but Unobtanium's miniature was a disaster (no structural integrity), and MR's was too expensive for such a limited production run.

We are aware that Round 2 has this scale as a model kit, but some prefer a professionally built item (and do not have the time to glue something together).

They say "third time's the charm," so another 33-inch 1701 (with FX or not) would be a great hallmark for the 50th anniversary.
I think that's fair. I have a Round2 1/350 TOS E, as yet unbuilt. I will tackle it eventually, but it is a bit daunting.
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Old March 16 2014, 03:55 PM   #23
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Finally, NO shoehorning TNG-JJ into the piece. That has nothing to do with the origin, production of cultural effect of TOS, and we do not need this to serve as advertising and/or legitimacy of the JJ films (in the way some original Star Wars trilogy pieces had to force the prequels into the narrative, no matter how inappropriate).
Oh, I know I'm about to open the proverbial can of worms here but why not include the JJ films? I'm not saying make them a huge part of the documentary but not acknowledging the fact they and the later day series and movies is asinine because they are an effect of TOS... like it or not. Even just a line about "the phenomenon continues today as the thirteenth Star Trek feature film will premiere this year for the fiftieth anniversary of this modern legend" would be enough for me.
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Old March 16 2014, 03:59 PM   #24
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It's not just the 50th anniversary of TOS, but the Trek franchise as a whole, which includes TNG, DS9, VOY, ENT and the reboot. Although something celebrating it all couldn't possibly go as deeply as a "really this time it's the TRUE story of TOS" docu could.
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Old March 16 2014, 04:03 PM   #25
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^ Well, you could, but it would need to be more of a documentary miniseries. I'd be very cool with that. Almost Ken Burns style.

Hell, get Ken Burns to do it.
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Old March 16 2014, 04:08 PM   #26
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I'd happily watch it!
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Old March 16 2014, 04:17 PM   #27
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Unfortunately, it looks like Burns is booked up for a little while. They'd have to find someone else.

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Old March 16 2014, 04:36 PM   #28
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It's not just the 50th anniversary of TOS, but the Trek franchise as a whole, which includes TNG, DS9, VOY, ENT and the reboot. Although something celebrating it all couldn't possibly go as deeply as a "really this time it's the TRUE story of TOS" docu could.
And that's the thing. The more you want to cover the less time you have to devote the specifics.

A genuine TOS documentary probably shouldn't go past the decade of the '70s with the announcement and development of TMP.

TOS is a parallel story with GR. Maybe you could cover the franchise up to early TNG and then squeeze in some coverage of what followed GR's passing in the last twenty minutes to half hour.

There are a number of ways you could do this. A miniseries documentary would be ideal. That way you could devote segments to different periods.

The biggest issue for me is the clear debunking of long repeated myths. That and avoiding the sound-byte approach where a question is raised with a reply of a few words from a talking head and then on to the next thing. No, let's flesh this out properly with lots of archival materiel.

Get someone with the right voice to read some of Robert Justman's memos.
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Old March 16 2014, 05:46 PM   #29
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A ten hour theatrical screening of the top ten (as chosen by fans) episodes of the original series.
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Old March 23 2014, 04:17 AM   #30
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I think you guys are aiming too low.

I'd like to see the launch of a new series (as in 22+ episodes a year) taking place in the late 24th or 25 century.

There is only so much that the original series can be milked. I'm not interested in seeing JJ Trek move over to television, as it's all old ground. Sure, I love Spock et al but after 50 years we need a new story.

I'd love for the franchise to move forward with a completely new cast, new ships, new politics, new century.

I know it's a pipe dream, but the publicity around the 50th could get it off the ground.

I was in the UK for Doctor Who's 50th. The excitement nationwide was spectacular. I took the train out of Manchester a couple of hours after seeing the anniversary special in the movie theatre, and I would say 75% of the people on the train had just been to see Doctor Who in a theatre. That's how huge it was.

(Unfortunately they followed it up the next month with the Christmas Special, which was one of the worst Doctor Who episodes I've ever had the misfortune of watching.)

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