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Old March 13 2014, 12:37 PM   #31
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The original final book* climaxes with Chapter 3 and then goes on for another SIX chapters! At least he cut the Scouring of the Shire!
I was wondering when someone would bring that up.

I remember reading the book, thinking: "OK Mr. Tolkien, you've finished your tale, can I go home now?"
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Old March 13 2014, 02:40 PM   #32
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It's a fucking typo, dude.
No, it isn't. It's what is called an error of ignorance. A typo, or typographical error, is a misspelling caused by fingers accidentally hitting the wrong keys. ( You know, like when you're trying to write the word "Ring" and your finger shoots all the way over to the "S" instead of hitting, say, the "F" key or the "D" key. )

What makes "Fellowship of the Rings" obviously wrong is familiarity with the plot: specifically the fact that the Fellowship had absolutely nothing to do with any of the other rings.
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Old March 13 2014, 02:46 PM   #33
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It's a fucking typo, dude.
No, it isn't. It's what is called an error of ignorance. A typo, or typographical error, is a misspelling caused by fingers accidentally hitting the wrong keys. ( You know, like when you're trying to write the word "Ring" and your finger shoots all the way over to the "S" instead of hitting, say, the "F" key or the "D" key. )

What makes "Fellowship of the Rings" obviously wrong is familiarity with the plot: specifically the fact that the Fellowship had absolutely nothing to do with any of the other rings.
There's no "F" or "D" in Ring?

If you hit S, when intending to hit F or D, while typing Ring, that's far more than a typo.
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Old March 13 2014, 03:00 PM   #34
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It's a fucking typo, dude.
No, it isn't. It's what is called an error of ignorance. A typo, or typographical error, is a misspelling caused by fingers accidentally hitting the wrong keys. ( You know, like when you're trying to write the word "Ring" and your finger shoots all the way over to the "S" instead of hitting, say, the "F" key or the "D" key. )

What makes "Fellowship of the Rings" obviously wrong is familiarity with the plot: specifically the fact that the Fellowship had absolutely nothing to do with any of the other rings.
Jesus fuck.

Dude, I've read those books while your grandmother was still in diapers, and I've devoured Silmarillion in a single afternoon (ok, I finished it at about 1 AM)...

What are you trying to accomplish with this pseudo-autistic bullshit?
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Old March 13 2014, 03:17 PM   #35
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Everyone chill and step away from the keyboard for a breather.
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Old March 13 2014, 05:17 PM   #36
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Any-hoo, in response to the OP:

LOTR is likely to be the definitive film version of the saga for a long, long time to come. The next generation at least. The awesome scale, sweep and visually iconic nature of Jackson's work is just too well-entrenched (and still too profitable, not to put too fine a point on it) to get around.

It's certainly imperfect, though. I thought it was near-perfectly cast and performed, but almost all of Jackson's attempts to add to or reinterpret the source material are misfires. The Two Towers, which contained the most of these (heaviest concentration of romance subplot, painful dwarf-tossing jokes, extraneous added action sequences) is the weakest instalment for that reason. A more faithful retelling would be more powerful in some ways.

But there may not be reason to remake it for future generations. A lot of the other flaws that make people uncomfortable about the movies now -- the endless sermonizing about Hope, the clear visual distinction between Good and Eeevil, ROTK's half-dozen endings -- are straight-up baked into the source material. In fact Jackson did a better job with cutting extraneous source content than he did with adding in his own stuff -- we were wisely spared Tom Bombadil and the Scouring of the Shire, due respects to the Tolkienologists who complained so bitterly about the latter.
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Re: Do you think LotR holds up?

To be fair, most of the people I know got what sounded like a non-derisive laugh out of the dwarf tossing.
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Old March 13 2014, 08:15 PM   #38
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Yeah, these films are ancient. Time for them to be remade.
No remake will ever top the amount of love and attention to the source material the crew around Jackson devoted to it. Yeah, they took some liberties and artistic license here and there. But I see no reason for a remake, not in ten, not in 50 years.
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Old March 13 2014, 08:18 PM   #39
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We were wisely spared Tom Bombadil.
They'd have needed to hand everyone who saw the film a bag of weed on the way in to survive it. IMHO.
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Old March 13 2014, 08:27 PM   #40
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Why wouldnt it hold up?? Its the timeless story people seem to love with great production values. No brainer classic.
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Old March 13 2014, 08:33 PM   #41
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Why wouldnt it hold up?? Its the timeless story people seem to love with great production values. No brainer classic.
Well, it's a fair question. Style, design, production values, and so forth, can date a film pretty quickly.

Matrix already came up in this thread. I recently watched it again and was amazed at how bad it was. A big bag of pseudo-philosophical hot air. And the style and design... I couldn't stop cringing at those uber-serious guys with sunglasses in the dark and their leather outfits. Oh boy. But back then, I could be quoted saying "It's a piece of art!" No it isn't, it really is ridiculously stupid trash.
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Old March 13 2014, 08:54 PM   #42
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News of a new trilogy is probably not going to make your day then. Then again, the Brothers (can we still call them that?) have passed that rumour around a few times.
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Old March 13 2014, 09:06 PM   #43
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Why wouldnt it hold up?? Its the timeless story people seem to love with great production values. No brainer classic.
Well, it's a fair question. Style, design, production values, and so forth, can date a film pretty quickly.

Matrix already came up in this thread. I recently watched it again and was amazed at how bad it was. A big bag of pseudo-philosophical hot air. And the style and design... I couldn't stop cringing at those uber-serious guys with sunglasses in the dark and their leather outfits. Oh boy. But back then, I could be quoted saying "It's a piece of art!" No it isn't, it really is ridiculously stupid trash.
Oh theres certainly some pseudoscientific gobbledygook in it but generally, it is still top notch production, copied greatly to this day, and not remotely dated at all. In fact, Taken as a whole,its still the single most realistic all-encompassing vision of the future yet seen. Most other futuristic movies take bits and pieces of future speculation to fashion a story, Matrix doesnt skimp.
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Old March 13 2014, 09:31 PM   #44
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What makes "Fellowship of the Rings" obviously wrong is familiarity with the plot: specifically the fact that the Fellowship had absolutely nothing to do with any of the other rings.
Well, Gandalf was wearing Narya....

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To be fair, most of the people I know got what sounded like a non-derisive laugh out of the dwarf tossing.
I did think it was funny. What I objected to was limiting almost the entire portrayal of the dwarves to either height jokes or their arguments with the elves -- which they always lost. Elrond was cynical about whether humans had any potential left, yet he's okay with the Fellowship including (as portrayed) a buffoon from a race of buffoons?

There's room for height jokes as long as you also develop the dwarves as serious characters.
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We were wisely spared Tom Bombadil.
They'd have needed to hand everyone who saw the film a bag of weed on the way in to survive it. IMHO.
Huh. Now that you mention it... perhaps Tom Bombadil has his uses after all...
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