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Old March 11 2014, 09:10 PM   #31
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Re: Should the next Star Trek series have a major war?

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I think if a Star Trek series is to survive in the current TV landscape, it will need an ongoing serialized story, rather then being purely episodic.
Which is plain wrong since there are popular episodic dramas currently on the air.
I can't think of any science fiction or fantasy dramas that are episodic.
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Old March 11 2014, 09:40 PM   #32
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Re: Should the next Star Trek series have a major war?

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I'd prefer it to be primarily about exploration...
I think that's a feeling a lot of people share but the thing is TOS, TNG, Voyager, and DS9 (on some respects) did that. I'd rather see a series where the galaxy has been explored (at least mapped out to major powers in their space. Borg space, Dominion space, Federation space, Gorn space, Hirogen space, etc.). That series would be about the Federation and their peace keeping armada and would focus on the top fleet and several captains, each with their own major skill (a captain you send for diplomatic missions, a captain you send to take out a threat or escort someone, a captain you send on a journey to resupply multiple settlements, even that solo explorer captain) where one or two meet up for various reasons and ultimately end a season or the series on all of them gathering for a Borg invasion or something.

I liked what Bry_Sinclair said because my series would focus on the topics she mentioned. I'd rather see that instead of another point and click adventure.

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Old March 11 2014, 11:56 PM   #33
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Re: Should the next Star Trek series have a major war?

I'll chime in with liking the post-war idea. Having a series without some aspect of war is foolish. Every series has incorporated it so far (some more than others), as have several of the movies. Despite that it's not "Star Wars", Star Trek often involves the threat of war.

As to serial vs. episodic (which could be its own thread...), it's true that genre shows these days are doing the serial approach, and that the most acclaimed shows are serial. As much as I love the serial shows, I think a new series would have to retain the ability to be episodic from time to time (or at least accessible), but that always comes at a cost of people bitching about ignoring the plot.

At the very least though, an episodic show is going to require threads amongst episodes, actual character development, and short arcs. A show like TOS isn't going to fly today. Even the aforementioned popular series on TV aren't that episodic.
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Old March 12 2014, 12:19 AM   #34
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Re: Should the next Star Trek series have a major war?

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War is all action and battles and glory and honour and sacrifice--which has been done in Trek and loads of other TV shows.

I think the next series should be set after a war, where the focus is on rebuilding planets, ships, relationships; dealing with the fallout of conflict, the devastated aggressor having to accept help from their adversary for help, the tensions that causes between and among both sides.

Its not the big flashy NuTrek-esque style, but the hard work, dedictation and resiliency of the characters that drive storylines and plot, making it a series of substance.
Sometimes I like to throw various Trek ideas around in my mind and one of my favorite ideas is actually very close to that.
One difference though, would be that The Federation while victorious in the conflict is actually the side that suffered more causalities and damage. This would of course mean that there might be some Star Fleet personnel who are very resentful towards their former enemies and perhaps even the newly signed peace treaty.
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Old March 12 2014, 04:10 AM   #35
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Re: Should the next Star Trek series have a major war?

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I'd prefer it to be primarily about exploration...
I think that's a feeling a lot of people share but the thing is TOS, TNG, Voyager, and DS9 (on some respects) did that. I'd rather see a series where the galaxy has been explored -
Which is pretty much all we got starting with later episodes of TNG. The universe felt explored. We just kept running into the same bumpy-headed aliens week in, week out. Even on VOY, it felt like we were just getting more of the same. I'd like to get back to exploration, but with a Trek series in which Kirk and Spock explore a galaxy that still seems mysterious and full of wonder. Dump virtually all of Berman-Trek influence, bring in some SF authors, and let their imaginations take Kirk and Spock into a really alien universe.
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Old March 12 2014, 05:59 AM   #36
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Re: Should the next Star Trek series have a major war?

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I'd prefer it to be primarily about exploration...
I think that's a feeling a lot of people share but the thing is TOS, TNG, Voyager, and DS9 (on some respects) did that. I'd rather see a series where the galaxy has been explored -
Which is pretty much all we got starting with later episodes of TNG. The universe felt explored. We just kept running into the same bumpy-headed aliens week in, week out. Even on VOY, it felt like we were just getting more of the same. I'd like to get back to exploration, but with a Trek series in which Kirk and Spock explore a galaxy that still seems mysterious and full of wonder. Dump virtually all of Berman-Trek influence, bring in some SF authors, and let their imaginations take Kirk and Spock into a really alien universe.
It's not like they can introduce new major powers or anything. Enterprise did that and it didn't work out for them.
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Old March 12 2014, 12:33 PM   #37
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Which is pretty much all we got starting with later episodes of TNG. The universe felt explored. We just kept running into the same bumpy-headed aliens week in, week out. Even on VOY, it felt like we were just getting more of the same. I'd like to get back to exploration, but with a Trek series in which Kirk and Spock explore a galaxy that still seems mysterious and full of wonder. Dump virtually all of Berman-Trek influence, bring in some SF authors, and let their imaginations take Kirk and Spock into a really alien universe.
This. There was no sense of wonder or adventure in the later series. I forget who, but a poster called the Berman-derived series "L.A. Law in Space" and I think they hit the nail on the head. The shows got increasing set in their ways and never deviated from those ways.

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It's not like they can introduce new major powers or anything. Enterprise did that and it didn't work out for them.
Sure they can. The issues with Enterprise was fandom constantly bitching about "why didn't we hear about this species or event in the later series?!?" That and the series being generally uninspiring.
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Old March 15 2014, 06:38 AM   #38
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Re: Should the next Star Trek series have a major war?

If Enterprise had started with the Earth-Romulan War and ended with the birth of what would be the Federation, that would have been a bad-ass story arc. Could have done Tholians and Gorn more consistently with cgi. It could have explored and introduced us to the wonders of the original series, but with a rougher "wooden-sailing ship" sort of feel, blind and infant in space, no idea what's out there, etc.

A war in a new series? It would have to be a really menacing war, but that could work. Or you could go to the future and explore other galaxies, meet species that are non humanoid, get really heady, next gen style but realistic and not so after-school-specially.
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Old March 15 2014, 08:30 AM   #39
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Re: Should the next Star Trek series have a major war?

No. As it was already said, it's not StarWars!

Could I be asking for too much, or would it not be cool for the interest to start sparking of traveling any farther? I'd like to see the same concept for the Enterprise in ToS, but any time around the 2380s would be cool! Maybe a series where we follow 2 or 3 ships instead of just one. And they're exploring the deeper regions of our galaxy, maybe finally starting to look farther?
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Old March 17 2014, 04:11 AM   #40
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You can say I am old. Not so old to recall 48 or 49 stars on the American Flag when I was a teenager. Still, since America has been in two wars since 2001. And, DS9 had a war during the series. DS9 is so hard to find in reruns, but TNG and Voyager can be noticed in reruns. I think one of the major reasons Enterprise failed, because they were dealing with a war when America was knee deep in wars.

If a new series has a war or going to have a war, I would watch it but I will not be in love with the new series.
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Old March 17 2014, 04:45 AM   #41
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Re: Should the next Star Trek series have a major war?

If a war storyline develops naturally from the events in the series over multiple seasons, then sure.
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Old March 17 2014, 04:53 AM   #42
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Re: Should the next Star Trek series have a major war?

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If a war storyline develops naturally from the events in the series over multiple seasons, then sure.
DS9 did the same, and I really cannot find it any place with re-runs. True, I really do love to watch DS9. Still, with re-runs the shows come on Monday till Friday with nothing on the weekends. So, if you miss a day or a few you miss a great deal the background going into the building of a war.

I just do not see natural will work. It is fine going the 7 years the series runs as the show comes on once a week.
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Old March 23 2014, 04:43 AM   #43
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Re: Should the next Star Trek series have a major war?

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War is all action and battles and glory and honour and sacrifice--which has been done in Trek and loads of other TV shows.

I think the next series should be set after a war, where the focus is on rebuilding planets, ships, relationships; dealing with the fallout of conflict, the devastated aggressor having to accept help from their adversary for help, the tensions that causes between and among both sides.

Its not the big flashy NuTrek-esque style, but the hard work, dedictation and resiliency of the characters that drive storylines and plot, making it a series of substance.
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War is all action and battles and glory and honour and sacrifice--which has been done in Trek and loads of other TV shows.

I think the next series should be set after a war, where the focus is on rebuilding planets, ships, relationships; dealing with the fallout of conflict, the devastated aggressor having to accept help from their adversary for help, the tensions that causes between and among both sides.

Its not the big flashy NuTrek-esque style, but the hard work, dedictation and resiliency of the characters that drive storylines and plot, making it a series of substance.
I agree. Add everything Bry said to my initial post and that's my series.
Yawn.

Are we always going to be hearing the same old whine about the Abramsverse all of the time? Or, are we going to accept the fact that this had to happen, and CBS/Paramount had to do this?
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Old March 23 2014, 01:36 PM   #44
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In a word "NO"
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Old March 23 2014, 04:12 PM   #45
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War is all action and battles and glory and honour and sacrifice--which has been done in Trek and loads of other TV shows.

I think the next series should be set after a war, where the focus is on rebuilding planets, ships, relationships; dealing with the fallout of conflict, the devastated aggressor having to accept help from their adversary for help, the tensions that causes between and among both sides.

Its not the big flashy NuTrek-esque style, but the hard work, dedictation and resiliency of the characters that drive storylines and plot, making it a series of substance.
I agree. Add everything Bry said to my initial post and that's my series.
Yawn.

Are we always going to be hearing the same old whine about the Abramsverse all of the time? Or, are we going to accept the fact that this had to happen, and CBS/Paramount had to do this?
I like NuTrek and all but leave that flashiness and lens flare for the movies. I want a series with a story. Something that builds a history instead of redoing old stories.
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