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Old March 11 2014, 08:52 PM   #16
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Re: "Prey," VOY, and TOS

Jirin, it all comes down to which characters you respond to and why, and which characters you care about. Certainly, there were episodes of VOY that were less "authentic" than others. "Vis-a-Vis," for example. But when I think about episodes like "Faces," "Jetrel," "The Gift," "YOH," "Latent Image," "Dark Frontier," "Imperfection," or "Lineage," I certainly would call such episodes extremely meaningful and the farthest thing from "sitcom-like."
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Old March 11 2014, 09:05 PM   #17
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I would agree some of those, but I would include Faces as just being a canned reflection of the character's core gimmick. And I would include Course: Oblivion as another example on the 'good' side.

The right way to write a character flaw is to have it interact naturally with the story you're writing. Create a scenario around just showing the audience something interesting, then decide how each character is going to respond to it. Don't contrive a scenario specifically around it, only to end the episode by reducing it to one speech that leads to a life changing personal revelation that is somehow completely forgotten the next time an episode addresses said flaw.

Latent Image is another case where the personal revelation is completely forgotten at the end of the episode, like in a sitcom.

Even in the episodes that weren't written lazily around directly exploiting character gimmicks, in most cases the characters come off as one dimensional, as if their only major personality trait is that one flaw they have.
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Old March 12 2014, 01:54 AM   #18
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Re: "Prey," VOY, and TOS

But weren't the personal revelations reset at the end of every single TOS and TNG episode too?
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Old March 12 2014, 07:39 AM   #19
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Re: "Prey," VOY, and TOS

I dunno, Riker revealed himself to be an asshole in season 1 and that was never reset.
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Old March 12 2014, 01:40 PM   #20
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^It reset every now and then, he just became an asshole again but I can't blame him. He couldn't be the crews commander and their friends all the time, it was his job to be an asshole at times.
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Old March 12 2014, 07:29 PM   #21
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Back on track, I believe that VOY was extremely good at exploring individual characters and also at establishing relationships among the crew. The stand-alone aspect of most of the episodes is something that some fans have a hard time with, but, on balance, I think that VOY convincingly created and sustained an intimate interpersonal atmosphere among the characters and the cast, who had a great deal of onscreen rapport.
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Old March 12 2014, 07:48 PM   #22
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I just ignored Chakotay. So for me:

Janeway - Kirk
Tuvok - Spock
EMH - McCoy

Seven I find curious, as sometimes she has Spock's logic, other times McCoy's irascibility.
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Old March 13 2014, 06:30 AM   #23
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7 is Spock at his weakest moments.
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Old March 14 2014, 12:24 AM   #24
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lurok wrote: View Post
I just ignored Chakotay. So for me:

Janeway - Kirk
Tuvok - Spock
EMH - McCoy
The Doctor and McCoy are somewhat similar, if you add Spock's search for humanity to Bones, but Janeway was a scientist and Tuvok was a security officer. Their skills make them unique.
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