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Old March 9 2014, 04:42 AM   #31
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Re: Why does Sci Fi do so poorly in the ratings

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The first argument for the superiority of our people: Days of Our Lives.

There are so many other good arguments for why our tastes should define reality.
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Old March 9 2014, 05:09 AM   #32
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Re: Why does Sci Fi do so poorly in the ratings

I don't think things are as bad for SF/F on TV as a lot of people like to say. We don't really have any shows as out there as stuff like Farscape, but there is still plenty of SFF stuff on. Hell, there are four new SFF shows premiering in the next two weeks, Resurrection on ABC tomorrow night, Believe on NBC on Monday, From Dusk Till Dawn: The Series on the new El Rey network on Tuesday, and The 100 on The CW on the Wednesday after next. That's pretty good for SFF if you ask me, especially when you consider that three of them are on networks, and two on one of the big three.
EDIT: I just checked and there are at least another eight shows that I recognized as SFF that have announced premier dates for later this year. There might be more that I don't know recognize.
Metal Hulant Chronicles, Syfy, April 14
Salem, WGN, April 20
Penny Dreadful, Showtime, May 11
Extant, CBS, July 2
The Strain, FX, July TBA
Outlander, Starz, TBA
Star Wars: Rebels, Disney/Disney XD, TBA
That doe not include any of the shows currenly being developed for next season, like all of the comic book shows, and Supernatural: Bloodlines.
I know that is more than just the big networks, but I think it's still worth including in the conversation.
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Old March 9 2014, 05:45 AM   #33
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There are so many other good arguments for why our tastes should define reality.
Has there ever been a time period where this was actually true?
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Old March 9 2014, 06:11 AM   #34
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Several people had times periods named after them that thought this and had an army.
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Old March 9 2014, 06:24 AM   #35
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The weird thing about fandom is that it tends to assume that sci-fi=quality when that's simply not the case. Just because something is sci-fi doesn't mean it's going to be quality.
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Old March 9 2014, 07:00 AM   #36
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Yikes. I didn't realize that I was fomenting confusion. For the record, I was definitely being sarcastic about the "lesser minds" thing. I was poking fun at the fandom's occasional tendency to assume that our tastes are ever so more elevated than those of "the masses" who don't get sf/fantasy. Which can get a bit elitist and self-congratulatory sometimes.

(I guess I should have put "lesser minds" in quotes to indicate that I was being ironic.)

And that was by no means directed at any poster in particular. Alas, it's an attitude one runs into fairly often at sf sites--and probably dates back to the whole "fans are slans" silliness of generations past.

P.S. Glad to hear that I'm not largely regarded as a crazy person . . . except where Richard Matheson is concerned!
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Old March 9 2014, 02:03 PM   #37
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Sci-fi definitely does not equal quality, there's a lot of crap out there, but any day of the week I'd rather see a story that displays imagination and thought rather than a cop/doctor/lawyer show. (don't get me wrong, NYPD Blue was the bomb!) Or, god forbid, reality television.
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Old March 9 2014, 03:56 PM   #38
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I'd rather see a story that displays imagination and thought rather than a cop/doctor/lawyer show.
I don't know about that. I'm still watching Chicago Fire, Elementary, Blacklist and Hannibal, unlike Continuum, Grimm, The Tomorrow People and so many others...
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Old March 9 2014, 04:22 PM   #39
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There's certainly good cop/doctor/lawyer shows out there, I'm just saying that a SF/F show on the ground floor is more interesting because they actually took the time to create a new world and use a little imagination. After that, actual quality takes effect
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Old March 9 2014, 05:45 PM   #40
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The other major factor for me, is how much rewatchability does a tv show have, after one has watched it once already.

In general, I find that many tv shows don't have much rewatch value for me, after I have seen the episodes already. This is independent of whether it is sci-fi or not.


With present shows, I only find that season 3 of Person of Interest has a high rewatchability for me. (Primarily episode 5 and later, where I found the writing and production were outstanding). Previous seasons of Person of Interest have almost no rewatch value for me.

In regard to daily syndication reruns, presently I find that Criminal Minds and NCIS both have a high rewatchability for me. On the other hand, stuff like the CSI and Law & Order franchises, House, Without a Trace, Burn Notice, Numb3rs, etc ... don't have a high rewatch value for me.


For sci-fi/fantasy type shows, the ones that presently have a high rewatchability for me are ones like:

- Star Trek: TOS (reruns)
- Star Trek: TNG (reruns)
- Star Trek: Voyager (reruns)
- 1978-1979 Battlestar Galactica
- Firefly
- Fringe seasons 1 to 4. (Not season 5).
- Stargate Universe season 1. (Not season 2).

On the other hand, I find that most other sci-fi/fantasy tv shows have very little to no rewatch value for me, such as: X-Files, Babylon 5, V (both the original and revived versions), Heroes, the 2004-2009 Battlestar Galactica, LOST, etc ...


On the OP of this thread, I suspect another possible reason why some tv shows don't get renewed and/or are canceled "early", is that the studio owners of a particular tv show might not see much of a chance for future off-network syndication. Easier to cut one's losses after a season or two, than bending over backwards and dragging things out longer to reach that magic 100 (or 88) episodes for off-network syndication.
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Old March 9 2014, 05:48 PM   #41
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Network TV requires broad appeal to get sufficient ratings. Sci-fi tends to be a niche product. So, while it can sometimes do well on cable, it struggles on the big four stations.
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Old March 9 2014, 05:49 PM   #42
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The weird thing about fandom is that it tends to assume that sci-fi=quality when that's simply not the case. Just because something is sci-fi doesn't mean it's going to be quality.
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Old March 9 2014, 07:28 PM   #43
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Re: Why does Sci Fi do so poorly in the ratings

Last week on Big Bang Theory, Sheldon was still complaining about how unfair the cancellation of Firefly was.

I think there is pleasure in this for normal people, being the underdog.
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Old March 9 2014, 07:40 PM   #44
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Network TV requires broad appeal to get sufficient ratings. Sci-fi tends to be a niche product. So, while it can sometimes do well on cable, it struggles on the big four stations.
Network ratings are dropping. SF/F shows are becoming more and more viable on the big four. As I posted earlier, four of the five top premieres for new drama shows on the networks so far this season are SF/F shows.
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Old March 9 2014, 08:13 PM   #45
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<<Last week on Big Bang Theory, Sheldon was still complaining about how unfair the cancellation of Firefly was.

I think there is pleasure in this for normal people, being the underdog. >>

Normal people don't have the slightest clue what Firefly is
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