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Old March 16 2014, 05:21 PM   #106
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That is the conflicting mindset of the ultra-progressive; GR's description for Sulu was patently offensive--certainly antiquated, but he likely thought he was being "respectful" of what he believed was some inherent trait of those from Sulu's background.

Stereotyped, misguided BS X 1000, but hey, its Gene (the hero who fought dastardly, woman hatin' NBC!), so he cannot be accused of being politically incorrect.

...yeah...
He's also the guy who describes Yeoman Colt as possessing "surprising efficiency" and "a strip-queen figure even a uniform cannot hide" and notes that she "undoubtedly dreams of serving Robert April with equal efficiency in personal departments."

Roddenberry's wide-spread reputation among some fans as the standard bearer for an "evolved humanity" is amusing.
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Old March 17 2014, 05:51 PM   #107
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What, open sexuality isn't a sign of an evolved humanity?
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Old March 17 2014, 07:01 PM   #108
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What, open sexuality isn't a sign of an evolved humanity?
I suppose, if you think leering at women and comparing them to "strip-queens" while finding the fact that they can be efficient "surprising" is a sign of "open sexuality" and "evolved humanity."
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Old March 17 2014, 10:59 PM   #109
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How dare he be imperfect! That Colt thing he was writing in, like '63, right? And we have people making gay jokes here about Takei in 2014, people who might be quite "enlightened" in other arenas (though it still ticks me off). Warts and all he still wrote a female first officer, an alien, an Asian botanist, and part-Hispanic bridge crewman. A lot of people were already heading that way in the early '60s, true. And a lot weren't.
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Old March 18 2014, 01:25 AM   #110
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^ Oh, my beef isn't with Roddenberry for not being perfect. It's with fans who claim he was.
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Old March 18 2014, 04:29 PM   #111
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^ Oh, my beef isn't with Roddenberry for not being perfect. It's with fans who claim he was.
Got it. Be well!
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Old March 18 2014, 04:41 PM   #112
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It's a little pity they didn't continue this kind of earnestness in TNG, now that the remastering in HD reveals all these little insike jokes, both the silly and the better ones.
Back in the '60s the idea of home video was unheard of. By the time TNG rolled around, home video was commonplace. One would expect the later producers to be even more conscientious about freeze-frame details. But then again, maybe some of the next generation prop creators were hoping this stuff would be seen and noticed one day.

(With today's technology, one could seamlessly insert or remove anything during "remastering", cover up continuity errors and other blunders, etc. Ben Finney strikes again!)


Of course, this is exactly what TNG-R has done in places: replacing the incorrect Enterprise on the LCARS screen in The Naked Now for example. The original episode had the movie era Enterprise identified visually on the screen as being the one that originally encountered the virus, but TNG-R replaced it with the correct, TOS era starship instead.

I think even in TNG's timeframe they probably never expected televisions to ever be a high enough resolution to see all the fine details, and they were probably even less expectant of TNG ever being remastered in such high quality that we'd actually be able to make out every line and word seen on LCARS at a mere glance. Technology marches on!
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Old March 19 2014, 01:18 AM   #113
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I do recall reading a web site where they pulled screen images of the monitors from some of the original cast movies and that they were franz Joseph's blueprints. Sorry, not a tos comment, but the blueprints were from tos era.... Does that count?

And, by the way, some brilliant links to some folks who've done fantastic research.
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Old March 19 2014, 04:13 AM   #114
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Of course, this is exactly what TNG-R has done in places: replacing the incorrect Enterprise on the LCARS screen in The Naked Now for example. The original episode had the movie era Enterprise identified visually on the screen as being the one that originally encountered the virus, but TNG-R replaced it with the correct, TOS era starship instead.

When you see that episode now, one thing that stands out is Mr. Data having to personally flip through every page and image in the Star Fleet database because the search engine hadn't been invented yet. You could argue that TOS was closer to the real future, because Spock was never more than three clicks away, so to speak, from any piece of stored information.
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Old March 19 2014, 09:36 PM   #115
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^ That may have been the original intent, but the fact that the commander actually *signed* the name Robert Comsol would seem to indicate that it is his name. And the way it's spelled - Robert L. Comsol - also supports this. (If it had been an abbreviation, it would be more like Robert, COMSOL, in all caps.)
Isn't it Comack? the guy who later became Komack?
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^ No, it's Comsol.
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Old March 19 2014, 09:57 PM   #117
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^ No, it's Comsol.
Yeah you're right

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Old March 20 2014, 12:19 AM   #118
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Captain Christopher Pike
Half-Vulcan Science Officer Spock
There must have been some other science officer named Spock who was not half-Vulcan. Or there was some other half-Vulcan science officer who wasn't Spock. Or something like that.

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"counterfeit currency"
AHA, so they DO have money in the future!
I've long-maintained that during the time of TOS (on TV), they did indeed have money. By the movie era they still had currency, but had moved to a cashless society - at least in Starfleet and on major Federation worlds.

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I seem to recall a fanfic that retconned Number One and Nurse Chapel as sisters. Or identical cousins, or something.
There are probably fanfics like that, but the place I read this idea was in one of the Best of Trek books, in the "Star Trek Mysteries - Solved" article. Once TNG made it clear that it was a normal nickname for the First Officer of a ship, it all made sense.

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Surely Mitchell getting it wrong is easier?
Better he deliberately choose to use something other than Kirk's actual middle initial. Kirk himself never uses the R, and neither do his official records.

Romeo?

Maybe Kirk had two middle names (some people do), and he just didn't like the one that started with "R." My own grandmother had two middle names but only used one of them.

BTW, when trying to imagine what the "R" stood for, what's more obvious than "Roddenberry"?
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Old March 20 2014, 03:05 AM   #119
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Of course, this is exactly what TNG-R has done in places: replacing the incorrect Enterprise on the LCARS screen in The Naked Now for example. The original episode had the movie era Enterprise identified visually on the screen as being the one that originally encountered the virus, but TNG-R replaced it with the correct, TOS era starship instead.

When you see that episode now, one thing that stands out is Mr. Data having to personally flip through every page and image in the Star Fleet database because the search engine hadn't been invented yet. You could argue that TOS was closer to the real future, because Spock was never more than three clicks away, so to speak, from any piece of stored information.
True. The LCARS looked almost impossibly advanced at the time, but in nearly every way it has aged very poorly indeed. At least, in the manner in which it is often depicted as being used by the crew. Lack of solid indexing abilities, the painful way text comes up one line at a time, etc... in the cold light of today LCARS just doesn't look very user-friendly. Even my Kindle can access data better than LCARS often did!

In other ways though TNG were remarkably prescient in their depiction of technology. Removable isolinear rods as a means for storing data, for example. This at a time when home computers were still using 3.5" disks, holds up to the test of time superbly, as a prediction of the USB flash drives that we all use these days.
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In other ways though TNG were remarkably prescient in their depiction of technology. Removable isolinear rods as a means for storing data, for example. This at a time when home computers were still using 3.5" disks, holds up to the test of time superbly, as a prediction of the USB flash drives that we all use these days.

Another thing is, I'm pretty sure TNG's PADD inspired the modern tablet computer in general, and the iPad in particular. And TNG control panels were mostly simulated touch screens that could display any configuration of controls you wanted. That's still very modern.
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