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Old March 12 2014, 12:54 PM   #76
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Seriously, I vaguely remember (probably a fanon or comic book source) that the "R." stood for "Rice" and supposedly was an academy nickname at the expense of Kirk (one of the two Garys could probably confirm this ).

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Old March 12 2014, 02:19 PM   #77
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Seriously, I vaguely remember (probably a fanon or comic book source) that the "R." stood for "Rice" and supposedly was an academy nickname at the expense of Kirk (one of the two Garys could probably confirm this ).

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It wouldn't surprise me. Apparently Gene had a thing for giving his characters the middle name "Rice". That's how Captain Paul Rice got his name (Arsenal of Freedom).
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Old March 12 2014, 04:41 PM   #78
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The title character of Roddenberry's The Lieutenant was "William Tiberius Rice".
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Old March 12 2014, 05:05 PM   #79
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You got to be...hold on...oh my goodness, you are correct.

And the character of William Tiberius Rice was played by Gary Lockwood (aka Gary Mitchell)

So former William Tiberius Rice putting an "R." on Kirk's tombstone in WNM was either a deliberate inside joke or Gene Roddenberry hadn't made up his mind, yet, whether Kirk's middle name should be "Tiberius" or "Rice".

Good thing he didn't name his character William Kirk.

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Old March 12 2014, 07:14 PM   #80
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Maybe he was born James Rice Kirk and hating that name changed it to James Tiberius Kirk when he was able. So while being known an James T Kirk to everyone, Mitchell put James R Kirk on the gravestone just to antagonize him. There canon solved!
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Old March 12 2014, 07:20 PM   #81
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Maybe he was born James Rice Kirk and hating that name changed it to James Tiberius Kirk when he was able. So while being known an James T Kirk to everyone, Mitchell put James R Kirk on the gravestone just to antagonize him. There canon solved!
Doesn't work in light of ST'09. Surely Mitchell getting it wrong is easier?
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Old March 12 2014, 08:10 PM   #82
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Surely Mitchell getting it wrong is easier?
Better he deliberately choose to use something other than Kirk's actual middle initial. Kirk himself never uses the R, and neither do his official records.

Romeo?

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Old March 12 2014, 09:25 PM   #83
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Robert L. Comsol was a piece of set decoration that became a fleet admiral: http://malf.wikia.com/wiki/Robert_L._Comsol

General Order 7 is the only Starfleet offense for which the death penalty is still on the books. Except for General Order 4. And mutiny. Maybe murder, too. For the first time, the full text of the order prohibiting contact with Talos IV is revealed: http://malf.wikia.com/wiki/General_Order_7
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Old March 12 2014, 10:38 PM   #84
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Maybe he was born James Rice Kirk and hating that name changed it to James Tiberius Kirk when he was able. So while being known an James T Kirk to everyone, Mitchell put James R Kirk on the gravestone just to antagonize him. There canon solved!
Sorry, but no. Gene Rodenberry's introduction to the TMP novelization has James Kirk state that his grandfather was infatuated with the Roman Emperor Tiberius, hence that middle name.

@ GNDN18

Have your superior officer call me in the morning. Most assuredly I'm not a piece of set decoration. (although I like to write about set decorations, too).

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Old March 12 2014, 11:41 PM   #85
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Maybe he was born James Rice Kirk and hating that name changed it to James Tiberius Kirk when he was able. So while being known an James T Kirk to everyone, Mitchell put James R Kirk on the gravestone just to antagonize him. There canon solved!
Doesn't work in light of ST'09. Surely Mitchell getting it wrong is easier?
Sure it does, they didn't name him Tiberius as shown. He declares himself to be James Tiberius Kirk as his rebellious side blossoms.


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Sorry, but no. Gene Rodenberry's introduction to the TMP novelization has James Kirk state that his grandfather was infatuated with the Roman Emperor Tiberius, hence that middle name.
Still works with my idea.

(Not that I'm at all serious about this...)
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Old March 13 2014, 02:01 AM   #86
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Sorry, but no. Gene Rodenberry's introduction to the TMP novelization has James Kirk state that his grandfather was infatuated with the Roman Emperor Tiberius, hence that middle name.
And his first name of James came from his mother's "love instructor!"


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Old March 13 2014, 05:27 AM   #87
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Sorry, but no. Gene Rodenberry's introduction to the TMP novelization has James Kirk state that his grandfather was infatuated with the Roman Emperor Tiberius, hence that middle name.
And his first name of James came from his mother's "love instructor!"



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Old March 13 2014, 09:08 PM   #88
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^ Especially now that we know - the real George Kirk was clearly not the kind of wuss who would cause his wife to need a "love instructor" (whatever the hell that means) in the first place.
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Old March 13 2014, 10:49 PM   #89
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maybe she needed to get up to his speed
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Old March 14 2014, 12:00 AM   #90
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Well, in the real world, there are such things as sex therapists. Perhaps this is what Gene meant by this "love instructor" crap.

But somehow I doubt that George and Winona needed such a thing.
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