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Old March 6 2014, 06:33 PM   #16
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Robert Comsol, a Dissenting View: I tend to believe that that document was intended to read: "Robert, COMSOL". The commander's last name and his title. The way you might have seen a document signed "Eisenhower, CINCEUR" during WW2, perhaps. I don't think that was suppossed to be his first and last name. (Yes I know the last name more commonly used is Roberts with an "s" at the end, but I have seen it without as well). I also realize there is no comma on the actual document, and believe that to be an oversight on the part of the documet's creator.
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Old March 6 2014, 06:36 PM   #17
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^ That may have been the original intent, but the fact that the commander actually *signed* the name Robert Comsol would seem to indicate that it is his name. And the way it's spelled - Robert L. Comsol - also supports this. (If it had been an abbreviation, it would be more like Robert, COMSOL, in all caps.)
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Old March 6 2014, 06:39 PM   #18
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True enough. Still think it woulda made more sense the other way. *shrug* YMMV.
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Old March 6 2014, 07:29 PM   #19
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^^ I never noticed until just now that the document we see on screen refers to Spock as "half-Vulcan." I suppose a human-Vulcan hybrid, especially one serving in Starfleet, was a rarity and worth noting. In any case, no one at the time thought it was "racist."
So important that had to state it twice.
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Old March 6 2014, 11:39 PM   #20
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^^ I never noticed until just now that the document we see on screen refers to Spock as "half-Vulcan." I suppose a human-Vulcan hybrid, especially one serving in Starfleet, was a rarity and worth noting.
If it was necessary to note that the science officer was half-Vulcan, they should have included it in the text of the report, and not the signature, which many people would gloss over, anyway. Nope, this was just a case of 1960s unenlightened ignorance.
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Old March 7 2014, 02:06 AM   #21
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Perhaps there might be some reason to identify the biological origin of the 'signer' to show that the Talosian illusions didn't only affect humans. Any other "in-universe" ideas why this might be done?
Perhaps Vulcan wasn't yet in the Federation [1], so that some relevance might be attached to his service origin, the way that (hypothetically; I have no idea whether they would ever do this) Allied reports might refer to a member of the Lafayette Escadrille as American Pilot (Name).

[1] Yes, I'm aware that at the time of production, Earth wasn't yet in the Federation either. I still think the cross-service idea is the least problematic one on hand.
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Old March 7 2014, 02:15 AM   #22
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First off, I think the spoken dialog in which Mendez refers to "a half-Vulcan science officer named Spock" was merely a rhetorical way of saying, this is the exact same guy as your first officer.

It's not racism because, in a truly post-racial society, nobody feels offended by offhand references to their extraction. On top of that, Vulcans aren't a race, they're a species, and the novelty of humanoid cross-species hybridization was Spock's claim to fame.

Then I think the prop document was written with two references to that unique-to-Star-Trek phrase as an in-joke, in that it exactly quotes the dialog. It wasn't meant to be readable on TV.
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Old March 7 2014, 02:16 AM   #23
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I like the 23rd Century racism.

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I don't understand. It was simply a way of identifiyng Spock (That IS your objection, yes?). How is that racism?
If they wanted to identify a particular officer, they should be using service numbers.

But for them to identify him as being half Vulcan would be like identifying the "Black captain Benjamin Sisko." It reeks of racism.
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Old March 7 2014, 02:26 AM   #24
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I think it's a little odd that Mudd's rap sheet would include a reference to "Future Police"

http://tos.trekcore.com/hd/albums/1x...womenhd209.jpg

and I think this item could be read on old-style, 20th century TV sets, at least a good one with superb reception, but you didn't have time to read it all.
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"counterfeit currency"
AHA, so they DO have money in the future!
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Old March 7 2014, 03:49 AM   #26
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I think it's a little odd that Mudd's rap sheet would include a reference to "Future Police"

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Harry Mudd... future police... OMG Harry Mudd was Future Guy! (then put on a ton of weight)
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Nebusj wrote: View Post
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Perhaps there might be some reason to identify the biological origin of the 'signer' to show that the Talosian illusions didn't only affect humans. Any other "in-universe" ideas why this might be done?
Perhaps Vulcan wasn't yet in the Federation [1], so that some relevance might be attached to his service origin, the way that (hypothetically; I have no idea whether they would ever do this) Allied reports might refer to a member of the Lafayette Escadrille as American Pilot (Name).

[1] Yes, I'm aware that at the time of production, Earth wasn't yet in the Federation either. I still think the cross-service idea is the least problematic one on hand.
Vulcan is a founding Federation member. It has always been in it.
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Old March 7 2014, 04:13 AM   #28
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I think it's a little odd that Mudd's rap sheet would include a reference to "Future Police"
The line reads, "Future Police Record -- Code X731248." In other words, this is the future reference code for anyone seeking information on Harry Mudd's criminal activities. It wasn't meant to suggest time cops.
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Old March 7 2014, 04:37 PM   #29
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I like the 23rd Century racism.
I don't understand. It was simply a way of identifiyng Spock (That IS your objection, yes?). How is that racism?
To put it in Earthican terms, 'Black Communications Officer Uhura' sounds particularly nasty, especially when Pike wasn't 'Caucasian Captain Pike'
Oh, I see. I still don't consider that sort of thing racism, but I understand the point better.

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Old March 7 2014, 06:11 PM   #30
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ZapBrannigan wrote: View Post
I think it's a little odd that Mudd's rap sheet would include a reference to "Future Police"

http://tos.trekcore.com/hd/albums/1x...womenhd209.jpg

and I think this item could be read on old-style, 20th century TV sets, at least a good one with superb reception, but you didn't have time to read it all.
Sometimes the art department isn't quite with it or made up SF fans.

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Perhaps there might be some reason to identify the biological origin of the 'signer' to show that the Talosian illusions didn't only affect humans. Any other "in-universe" ideas why this might be done?
Perhaps Vulcan wasn't yet in the Federation [1], so that some relevance might be attached to his service origin, the way that (hypothetically; I have no idea whether they would ever do this) Allied reports might refer to a member of the Lafayette Escadrille as American Pilot (Name).

[1] Yes, I'm aware that at the time of production, Earth wasn't yet in the Federation either. I still think the cross-service idea is the least problematic one on hand.
Vulcan is a founding Federation member. It has always been in it.
Not in the first season. Trek was still being "formed". The Enterprise was an Earth ship. There was no Federation. Spock's role might have been intended to be like T'Pol in Enterprise, a foreign national serving in Earth's space fleet. I believe there are examples of this in real world militaries.
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