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Old March 5 2014, 08:07 PM   #16
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Re: Uniforms from Enterprise to TOS

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The Kelvin was only seen in the JJverse and there could be changes in the past due how the temporal war players may have changed(as an example).
The 'Temporal Cold War' occurred as part of the 'Prime' Universe. (Hell, if you want to go that route - IE that the timeline changed, you could also make a case that EVERYTHING after the TNG film 'Star Trek: First Contact' was in a different 'altered' timeline from the 'original Prime' Star Trek universe as well.)

But, assuming the Prime Universe consisted of what was shown on TV and film from 1966 - 2002 (ST:Nemisis):

The U.S.S. Kelvin was there AT THE POINT Nero emerged (and the 'Prime' timeline changed from the point of Nero's incursion forward); BUT, up to the point of the 'lightning storm' what was shown WAS indeed in the 'Prime' Star Trek Universe; therefore, those indeed are the ship designs and Star Fleet uniforms on the 2230's.
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Old March 5 2014, 11:26 PM   #17
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The Kelvin was only seen in the JJverse and there could be changes in the past due how the temporal war players may have changed(as an example).
The 'Temporal Cold War' occurred as part of the 'Prime' Universe. (Hell, if you want to go that route - IE that the timeline changed, you could also make a case that EVERYTHING after the TNG film 'Star Trek: First Contact' was in a different 'altered' timeline from the 'original Prime' Star Trek universe as well.)

But, assuming the Prime Universe consisted of what was shown on TV and film from 1966 - 2002 (ST:Nemisis):

The U.S.S. Kelvin was there AT THE POINT Nero emerged (and the 'Prime' timeline changed from the point of Nero's incursion forward); BUT, up to the point of the 'lightning storm' what was shown WAS indeed in the 'Prime' Star Trek Universe; therefore, those indeed are the ship designs and Star Fleet uniforms on the 2230's.
Only if you place stock in the idea that that was the original universe from the get-go. I can't do it. Totally alternate through & through. No Kelvin, no ugly uniforms for me.
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Old March 5 2014, 11:52 PM   #18
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Re: Uniforms from Enterprise to TOS

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Only if you place stock in the idea that that was the original universe from the get-go. I can't do it. Totally alternate through & through. No Kelvin, no ugly uniforms for me.
Well if that's the case, then this topic is going to get a whole lot more complicated than just chatting about uniforms
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Old March 6 2014, 12:01 AM   #19
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Only if you place stock in the idea that that was the original universe from the get-go. I can't do it. Totally alternate through & through. No Kelvin, no ugly uniforms for me.
Well if that's the case, then this topic is going to get a whole lot more complicated than just chatting about uniforms
It helps to just assume that everyone else involved in these..."discussions"...are chasing dragons on some sort of far-flung laudanum high, & that the attendant belief in funky blue unis & 400-meter "survey ships" is simply a form of shared hallucinate. It's a pretty easy position to sustain, as I see little to discourage me otherwise.
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Old March 6 2014, 02:40 AM   #20
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Re: Uniforms from Enterprise to TOS

Eh, it's no different to fans in the 80's refusing to accept the changes made in TMP and WoK, and claiming they too were alternate universes to TOS. TMP was 2.5 years after the end of TOS, the Kelvin is 34 years before - far more room for a plausible total visual change.
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Old March 6 2014, 07:33 PM   #21
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I believe the JJverse was close to the Prime one but separate before Nero and Spock entered it.
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Old March 6 2014, 09:42 PM   #22
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Re: Uniforms from Enterprise to TOS

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The Kelvin was only seen in the JJverse and there could be changes in the past due how the temporal war players may have changed(as an example).
But why would you even think this to begin with? Would you be thinking this if, say, the Kelvin bridge looked just like the TOS Enterprise bridge from "The Cage," and the uniforms looked like "The Cage" uniforms?

The "JJverse" started when Nero came back through time and changed things. Before he did that, the universe was the same as the prime TOS universe. That's what Kurtzman and Orci stated, and that's good enough for me. YMMV.
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Old March 7 2014, 01:49 AM   #23
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I believe the JJverse was close to the Prime one but separate before Nero and Spock entered it.
What you or I believe is irrelevant. We have no proprietary or creative control of Star Trek. The pre-Nero scenes in ST09 are set in the "Prime Universe", therefore everything we see in those scenes are part of it. You don't have to like it, but that's just the way it is.
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Old March 7 2014, 06:13 AM   #24
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Hack, hack, cough, HACK!

Damn, there's goes a lung.
Yah.

I narrate audiobooks for a living, 75% of which are total shit. So I know a hack writer when I read one.

Post-Berman Trek, Paramount is not in the habit of hiring screenwriters for their most popular and profitable franchise who are hacks.
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Old March 7 2014, 06:26 AM   #25
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Hack, hack, cough, HACK!

Damn, there's goes a lung.
Yah.

I narrate audiobooks for a living, 75% of which are total shit. So I know a hack writer when I read one.

Post-Berman Trek, Paramount is not in the habit of hiring screenwriters for their most popular and profitable franchise who are hacks.
There are always exceptions.
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Old March 7 2014, 08:14 AM   #26
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^Well I'm not about to get into a debate with you about why you think O & K are hacks, considering that it has nothing to do with the OP, so I'll just be diplomatic and say you're certainly entitled to your opinion
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Old March 7 2014, 08:25 PM   #27
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O&K may have had little to do with the look of the uniforms.
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Old March 8 2014, 06:35 AM   #28
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And the point being?
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Old March 8 2014, 12:42 PM   #29
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the Kelvin uniforms look like TNG uniforms. Wonder why?
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Old March 8 2014, 03:56 PM   #30
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the Kelvin uniforms look like TNG uniforms. Wonder why?
I heard they were inspired by SF uniforms seen in films from the 40s and 50s.
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