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Old July 21 2014, 12:01 PM   #1
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most 'Twilight Zone' episodes..

I remember reading an interview in 08 or thereabouts with abrams where he said he wanted to return Trek to the scary feel the early episodes of TOS had - and also mentioned the classic Twilight Zone as an example. season 1 (and some of Season 2/3 but mainly S1) had that quiet, creepy, eerie, uncanny Twilight Zone vibe - the Ent alone charting a haunted universe that hid some deeply strange things, that old style supernatural awe and dread:
stuff like Little Girls, Corbomite, Where No Man, Charlie X, Man Trap, City of the Edge, The Archons, Arena, Balance of Terror, Alternative Factor, Operation Annihilate, Space Seed, Galileo 7,Enemy Within, Naked Time...also S3s Spectre of the Gun which really felt like a 60s Twilight Zone or Outer Limits- the trippy music, the half sets, the odd camera angles, red backdrop, the almost robotic performances of the Earps and the strange obliviousness of the townsfolk, the twist our the heroes playing the villains… one of those very eerie, spooky trek episodes that could easily be a Twilight Zone. If you retune it so its B&W, edited in a Rod Sterling intro and TZ opening and closing credits then it could easily pass for an ep…and just imagine the crew to be some kind of generic space crew(someone did that with Planet of the Apes - probably on utube somewhere, edited it down to a half hr, B&W and found a suitable sterling intro and did the credits etc and it worked real well – well Rod Sterling wrote it anyway)

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Old July 21 2014, 12:59 PM   #2
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I remember reading an interview in 08 or thereabouts with jj abrams where he said he wanted to return Trek to the scary feel the early episodes of TOS had - and also mentioned the classic Twilight Zone as an example.
So, why didn't he?
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Old July 21 2014, 01:00 PM   #3
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Re: most 'Twilight Zone' episodes..

By the way, it's Rod Serling, not Sterling.
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Old July 21 2014, 01:43 PM   #4
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Re: most 'Twilight Zone' episodes..

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I remember reading an interview in 08 or thereabouts with jj abrams where he said he wanted to return Trek to the scary feel the early episodes of TOS had - and also mentioned the classic Twilight Zone as an example.
So, why didn't he?
Good question!

I expect no answer, however.
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Old July 21 2014, 05:49 PM   #5
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Re: most 'Twilight Zone' episodes..

You expect a guy who was never a Star Trek fan to be true to its roots?
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Old July 22 2014, 01:26 AM   #6
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Re: most 'Twilight Zone' episodes..

The first half of season one had more of an OUTER LIMITS vibe than a TWILIGHT ZONE one.
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Old July 22 2014, 01:38 AM   #7
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Re: most 'Twilight Zone' episodes..

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The first half of season one had more of an OUTER LIMITS vibe than a TWILIGHT ZONE one.
And Season 3's "The Empath" looks like it was inspired by the staging of OL: Nightmare.
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Old July 22 2014, 02:15 AM   #8
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Re: most 'Twilight Zone' episodes..

Both episodes did have the same director, John Erman.
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Old July 22 2014, 02:48 AM   #9
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You expect a guy who was never a Star Trek fan to be true to its roots?
That's a ridiculous question. You don't have be a pre-existing fan of a property in order to handle it well, because there is a thing called research that writers or directors do when they take on a new subject matter. For instance, Harve Bennett and Nicholas Meyer had no prior familiarity with Star Trek when they were hired to do The Wrath of Khan, but they did a marathon viewing of the series and consulted with Roddenberry and others, because it's just a basic part of the process to learn about your subject before you tackle it. And most people seem to think they made a pretty good Trek movie, though I've never really cared for it.

Besides, Roberto Orci and Damon Lindelof are huge, passionate Trek fans, yet their creative choices have hardly met with universal acclaim from the people who criticize Abrams.
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Old July 22 2014, 02:48 AM   #10
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Re: most 'Twilight Zone' episodes..

The main difference between The Outer Limits and The Twilight Zone: People have seen The Twilight Zone.
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Old July 22 2014, 03:21 AM   #11
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The main difference between The Outer Limits and The Twilight Zone: People have seen The Twilight Zone.
Inaccurate.

They're different in that OL was a science fiction anthology while TZ was mostly fantasy and supernatural, often SF, and a couple of times just straight-up suspense. Also OL was obligated to feature monsters every week, and it was hourlong throughout while TZ only had one short season of hourlong episodes.

Also, OL has had only one revival series totalling 7 seasons and 154 episodes, while TZ has, to date, had two revival series (three if you count the '88 syndicated season separately from the '85 network version, though I'm the only one who seems to do so) totalling 4 seasons and 109 episodes -- plus one feature film comprising 4 "episodes."
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Old July 22 2014, 03:27 AM   #12
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Inaccurate.
You shame me...I always strive for the highest level of accuracy in my quippy one-liners.
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Old July 22 2014, 04:00 AM   #13
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Re: most 'Twilight Zone' episodes..

With a bit of pruning, "Shore Leave" would have worked as a Twilight Zone episode. It shares similarities with the TZ eps "Elegy" and "People Are Alike All Over."

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By the way, it's Rod Serling, not Sterling.
Not to be confused with actor Robert Sterling, who appeared in the fourth-season TZ episode "Printer's Devil" with Burgess Meredith and Patricia Crowley.

And neither of whom should be confused with Rod Serling's brother, aviation writer and novelist Robert Serling, who lived to a ripe old age of 92.
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Re: most 'Twilight Zone' episodes..

Regardless of the similarities (mostly due to that period of television) Star Trek was a unique show.

Also, this thread sounds like it should be in the General Trek forum (maybe Miscellaneous).
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Old July 22 2014, 07:17 AM   #15
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For instance, Harve Bennett and Nicholas Meyer had no prior familiarity with Star Trek when they were hired to do The Wrath of Khan, but they did a marathon viewing of the series and consulted with Roddenberry and others, because it's just a basic part of the process to learn about your subject before you tackle it.
A minor side point, but...

I used to also think that Harve Bennett was unfamiliar with Star Trek until he researched all the episodes in preparation for his work on the movies. However, I recently learned (thanks to a commenter named Disinvited on TrekMovie) that Bennett did have prior familiarity with the series before he was asked to take on the movies, much more so than I had previously heard.

The below interview with Harve Bennett is from STARLOG, July 1982, Issue 60, PAGE 17.

The full text can be found online here (under the section "Keep On Trekkin'") -- http://archive.org/stream/starlog_ma...0/060_djvu.txt

Harve Bennett (Starlog magazine) wrote:
Fate. It was fate that led me to this film.

I have to backtrack a moment to explain all this. I live with a wonderful lady who’s been the joy of my life for years. She is a Trekker. She is, was, and always will be a Trekker. During our long time together, I’ve been force-fed Star Trek re-runs . . . literally.

She’d be sitting there, in front of her TV set, and I’d be moaning ‘How many times do we have to see these things?’ She’d sit there like a stage mother, muttering, ‘Now watch. Spock is going to say this.’ She’d recite the dialogue with the characters. I’d say clever things like ‘Look! Why do you persist in watching this stuff when you know everything that’s going to happen?’ Her response was ‘Shhhhh.’

Since I always was being told to shut up during the 17th showing of ‘The Tholian Web,’ I finally gave in and started watching. I became hooked.

I became fascinated by the show. You see, although I’d never watched it before, I’ve always had sort of a peripheral involvement with it. My first successful show was The Mod Squad. It competed with Trek one season. We even filmed on the same lot. I used to see Leonard walking by with his ears on but I never actually saw his work.

I knew Roddenberry but had never worked with him. The times we met I liked him a lot. For some odd reason, I’ve always been drawn to paramilitary types. I’m a pilot. Gene was a pilot. One thing I’ve always perceived in Star Trek was the fine hand of that odd paramilitary mind that was trying to preach peace. That’s a very interesting effect, rivaled in intensity only by the feelings of, let’s say, a reformed drunk. You’ve seen the horror. Now, you want to save others from it.

I had a very close relationship with the late Gene Coon as well, Trek’s line producer. I worked with Gene a lot during the last years of his life when we were both at Universal. Interestingly enough, Coon was also a paramilitary man. Crew-cut. The whole bit. He was an ex-marine who preached peace because of his own experiences in war.

A few years ago, when I came to Paramount for a three-year contract deal, I found myself a bachelor. My lady had moved out. I was sitting with Michael Eisner, the head of the studio, in his office. The studio hadn’t lost all interest in Star Trek at that point. He asked me if I’d be interested in making Star Trek II. It was to be a television movie with the potential for theatrical release. My answer was, having seen all the episodes of Trek, knowing and respecting both Roddenberry and Coon and wanting that woman back in my life… YES!

Ironically, some months later, my lady and I were back together. She was helpful in guiding me through all this.

I began watching Star Trek from a scholastic point of view. 'Let's watch the re-runs' became 'let's go to the projection room with some cassettes and take notes.' I began to develop my own sense of what episodes were meaningful to me. It's out of those viewings that this movie was born.
I don't think this significantly changes your overall point, Christopher, that people who weren't previously fans like Nicholas Meyer and many others can do justice to Trek; I just think it's an important factoid where Harve Bennett's Trek affiliation is concerned.

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