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Star Trek Movies I-X Discuss the first ten big screen outings in this forum!

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Old March 21 2014, 06:07 PM   #1
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Ent-E bridge WINDOW?

Was the refitted Enterprise-E at the end of Nemesis supposed to have an actual window replacing the viewscreen-where-a-window-would-be that was a Trek staple until ST'09? The zoom-out at the end of the alternate ending (the one with Commander Madden and the new, seatbelt-equipped captain's chair) looks like it was meant to continue and be CG'd over with the exterior of the ship.
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Old March 21 2014, 06:17 PM   #2
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Re: Ent-E bridge WINDOW?

Probably just where the viewscreen is suppose to go. Plug and play.
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Old March 21 2014, 06:23 PM   #3
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Re: Ent-E bridge WINDOW?

Yeah, they likely meant to show that the gap was still there, that the forcefield was in place until the new and improved viewscreen was plugged in.

It doesn't look like a window, too much "missing".
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Old March 22 2014, 04:33 PM   #4
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Wasn't the viewscreen actually a window in Nemesis? During the battle, the bridge gets hit, there's the sound of shattering glass to go along with the shattering viewscreen.
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Old March 22 2014, 06:49 PM   #5
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Wouldn't it be a massive use of power to have an EMERGENCY forcefield on all the time, even if it is in spacedock? I doubt they'd cover a hole in the bridge with a forcefield just so people could walk around there. Heck, the rest of the bridge seems perfectly fine and repaired, so I doubt they'd leave that gaping hole Shinzon blew in it while the rest of the bridge was fine.
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Old March 22 2014, 06:56 PM   #6
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Deleted scene so not exactly canon.
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Old March 22 2014, 06:57 PM   #7
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Wasn't the viewscreen actually a window in Nemesis? During the battle, the bridge gets hit, there's the sound of shattering glass to go along with the shattering viewscreen.
Hard to tell, because the damage doesn't consist of intact walls and a hole the shape and size of the former viewscreen; the frame is extensively torn, too. I doubt a window was intended, though, as it's clear from the exterior shots that there's no corresponding opening on the outside of the ship.

Wouldn't it be a massive use of power to have an EMERGENCY forcefield on all the time, even if it is in spacedock?
Probably not, considering that forcefields are in constant or near-constant use in other applications, most of them at least as crucial as keeping air in. Say, forcefields supposedly prevent the antimatter fuel from blowing up the ship - for years at an end. Somewhat shorter-duration forcefields also keep prisoners in the cells, and air inside the shuttlebays whenever the doors are open, etc.

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Old March 22 2014, 07:44 PM   #8
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Now that bridge set was designed to shake, and I just think we are seeing camera pass thrus as the camera platforms themselves were on the main floor--with arms reaching through the holes in the set. The two columns to either side are probably some bracing to hold everything so. Then the Greenscreen is just beyond, with lights shining on the actors faces also aimed through the holes.

I don't think that is to represent a window...

What you might call a working set.
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Old March 23 2014, 06:39 PM   #9
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Wasn't the viewscreen actually a window in Nemesis? During the battle, the bridge gets hit, there's the sound of shattering glass to go along with the shattering viewscreen.
No, if I remember correctly in First Contact, that the "viewscreen wasn't just that. Wasn't it a holographic image projected onto it?
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Old March 23 2014, 06:47 PM   #10
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In ST:FC, the viewscreen was turned off when we first saw it - just like in TOS. When it was turned off, it looked like this:

http://movies.trekcore.com/gallery/a...tacthd0231.jpg

Hologram or not? All the viewscreen images are "projections" of some sort. And in TNG, they were always three-dimensional: if you walked to the side of the bridge when Tomalak was raving and ranting on screen, you would see his cheek. The same would have been true of TOS, had the TOS viewscreen been filmed from the side rather than from directly ahead - it's cheaper to shoot imagery of Tomalak or Kor from the side and insert that into the shot than to shoot imagery of the opponent from front and then optically distort that so that it looks as if viewed from an angle.

I guess we could make the point that the TOS image was projected onto an obvious canvas the size of the image, whereas the ST:FC "canvas" is just a bit of wall...

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Old March 25 2014, 03:56 AM   #11
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That frame is so useless it could be used in a caption contest here at the bbs.
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Old March 25 2014, 05:08 AM   #12
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Old March 26 2014, 08:41 PM   #13
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Old March 27 2014, 02:39 AM   #14
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And in TNG, they were always three-dimensional: if you walked to the side of the bridge when Tomalak was raving and ranting on screen, you would see his cheek.
Not always. I distinctly remember a few times when the image we saw was 2D, like a television. I suppose it would be whether the person you are talking to is transmitting a 3D or 2D image.
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Old March 27 2014, 02:55 PM   #15
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Re: Ent-E bridge WINDOW?

I hated the FC viewscreen being projected like a curtain over a blank wall- imagine spending the whole day with that wall right in front of you instead of a nice moving starfield...

It does look like a window in that shot- it could also just be the socket where they plug in a viewsceen later since they are still assembling the bridge in that scene. Star Trek resorted to the concept of Bridge Modules to explain how that part of the ship changed from movie to movie. Logically they would just unplug the wrecked bridge and plug in a replacement instead of doing things piecemeal. Perhaps the Sovereign class was too new to have a bunch of modules available for this...
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