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Old March 3 2014, 05:48 AM   #16
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Re: Question about uniform changes

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Honestly, I'm a big fan of the original uniforms seen in TNG's first 2 seasons. I would've been happy if they kept that.
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Old March 3 2014, 06:00 AM   #17
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I really wish they would've done those uniforms originally conceived for Generations. Those looked, to me, like a nice functional blend of the formal uniforms and the colors.
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Old March 3 2014, 07:33 PM   #18
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Could the difference in uniforms be designated to sectors of operations?
TNG style could be all primary fleets, while Voyager/DS9 style was apart of secondary fleets?
Has anyone ever really researched into this? Does anyone know of a specific site that might explain? (Yes I know of the main sites that might Im going to check up now)
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Old March 3 2014, 11:44 PM   #19
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Understood, sir! I have very mixed feelings about the jackets, myself. 24th Century dress uniforms really need to look crisp, in my opinion. Like Officer's Dress Whites in the U.S. Navy, they are smart looking. The white dress uniforms seen in Riker/Troi's NEMESIS wedding could've used that. I don't care for them much.
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Old March 20 2014, 05:48 PM   #20
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So, onto season 5 episode 10, and theyve swapped to the grey shoulder jackets and colored shirts underneathe like in nemesis. So this kinda ruins the idea of uniforms being for different sectors of operations. And im back to believing that the uniforms change just from time and starfleet updating uniforms. Yes this still doesnt account for them.switching back to TNG style on earth.
unless we were right the first time, the the grey shoulder jackets are the new updated uniform from thw multipul sector styles?
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Old March 21 2014, 11:19 AM   #21
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Perhaps Starfleet switched primary uniforms to the FC type, and at the same time decided that due to DS9's ever-growing importance that the senior staff should wear the formal uniform as opposed to the optional coveralls they all loved.
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Old March 21 2014, 12:30 PM   #22
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I always assumed it was intended to be a starship/starbase distinction in the TNG era.

(Certainly this is what DS9: "Emissary" seems to be implying. Sisko, Dax, Bashir and O'Brien all wear the TNG outfit at various points in the episode, largely because they all arrive at the station directly from starship duty).

Although the Real-Life explanation was far more mundane: simply a need to distinguish TNG and DS9 on a visual level, so that the new kid on the block looked distinct and unique from its parent for any audiences that were channel surfing.

As for why VOY makes the switch, pre-production sketches for set designs etc for "VOY: Caretaker" show crewmembers wearing the standard TNG outfit, so I assume the decision to switch to the DS9 jumpsuits was made quite late in the day. Maybe even after the decision was made to use the DS9 jumpsuits in GENS when the originally planned new uniforms proved inadequate for their purpose.

I do like the fan ret-con theory that the DS9 jumpsuits were ALWAYS an alternative uniform and it was just down to what the ship's XO considered appropriate for their mission.
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Old March 22 2014, 12:38 AM   #23
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Re: Question about uniform changes

This is a real-world thing:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Uniform_of_the_day

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Old March 22 2014, 12:42 PM   #24
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At the beginning of DS9, it was clearly the destinction between starship and starbase personnel.
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Old March 24 2014, 11:35 PM   #25
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Re: Question about uniform changes

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(Certainly this is what DS9: "Emissary" seems to be implying. Sisko, Dax, Bashir and O'Brien all wear the TNG outfit at various points in the episode, largely because they all arrive at the station directly from starship duty)
Bashir's first assignment was DS9 - he didn't have starship duty before arrivin' at the station.

He was obviously transported by the same Oberth-class ship that brought Jadzia, but that'd be about it.

Also, Sisko's assignment before DS9 was the Utopia Planitia shipyards, which seems like a bunch of starship construction rigs & a station. Point is, not a starship. He, too, was ferried by one to the station.
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Old March 25 2014, 12:21 AM   #26
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As mentioned up thread it's probably supposed to be similar to how there is a uniform of the day in the military. Also, just like in the modern military they probably figured it was stupid to have multiple uniforms so they just streamlined it into the one gray uniform. The US Army for example went from having Dress Mess, Dress Blues, Dress Greens (combining both the class A and B variants), Dress Whites, BDUs and DCUs to simply the Dress Mess for super formal occasions, ASUs (modified dress blues) for business and the ACU for field work (though in practice ACUs are worn for everything).
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Old March 25 2014, 12:34 AM   #27
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Although the Real-Life explanation was far more mundane: simply a need to distinguish TNG and DS9 on a visual level, so that the new kid on the block looked distinct and unique from its parent for any audiences that were channel surfing.
I thought it was so that the face of our fearless commander would not be washed out.

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Old March 25 2014, 03:28 AM   #28
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Probably not enough uniforms in the costume department.
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Old March 25 2014, 04:05 AM   #29
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At the beginning of DS9, it was clearly the destinction between starship and starbase personnel.
We saw a lot of starbase personnel on TNG, always with the standard TNG uniform. Maybe I'm wrong, but until "Generations," I don't recall ever seeing any non-DS9 guest star in the DS9 uniform.

It was clearly a distinction of some kind, you're right. Maybe it was the uniform not for all starbases, but for the Deep Space stations.

While I wasn't crazy about the uniform change to the FC gray tops, it did allow for a really great WTF! moment, when we find out Bashir has been replaced by a Changeling and the real Bashir is still wearing the old uniform.
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Old March 25 2014, 05:03 AM   #30
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I was never crazy about all the uniform changes in the Star Trek shows. It got to remind me of comic books in recent years, where every new writer/artist team that comes along feels the need to give, say, Iron Man, new armor every few issues, after literally decades of the same one used.

The worst costume decision to me was Yesterday's Enterprise, with the Enterprise C's crew wearing movie maroon jackets with no turtleneck underneath. It looked like one would dress in the middle of the night when an earthquake strikes: you just grab whatever is handy, throw it on and run outside.
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