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Old February 15 2014, 07:50 PM   #1
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WoulD Voyager have been better if Paris and Chakotays tension lasted?

Just a curious question?

Would voyager have been better if one or two acts caused Chakotay to GRUDGINLY reassess his opinion of Paris, rather then to completely bury it?
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Old February 15 2014, 09:10 PM   #2
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Re: WoulD Voyager have been better if Paris and Chakotays tension last

It would have been fun to watch but it wouldn't have made sense. They were stuck together, possibly for seventy-some years, they should be making the best of it ASAP.
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Old February 15 2014, 10:58 PM   #3
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Re: WoulD Voyager have been better if Paris and Chakotays tension last

And his previous opinion of the man being completely removed by a single act, DID make sense?
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Old February 15 2014, 11:02 PM   #4
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Re: WoulD Voyager have been better if Paris and Chakotays tension last

If it lasted, it would of grew tiresome.
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Old February 15 2014, 11:44 PM   #5
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Re: WoulD Voyager have been better if Paris and Chakotays tension last

I can't even remember the tension that's how long it lasted!

And yes, it would have grown tiresome. Trek was often fail at such.
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Old February 16 2014, 12:21 AM   #6
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Re: WoulD Voyager have been better if Paris and Chakotays tension last

Had B'Elanna come betwixt Paris and Chakotay, that would've been the kind of tension that could last ... and last! Nothing like a woman to cause even the best of friends to become Mortal Enemies ...
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Old February 16 2014, 12:22 AM   #7
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Re: WoulD Voyager have been better if Paris and Chakotays tension last

It should've lasted longer than one episode along with the Starfleet/Maquis tension that petered out by the middle of episode two.
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Old February 16 2014, 01:07 AM   #8
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Re: WoulD Voyager have been better if Paris and Chakotays tension last

If he'd continued as Locarno, it might have made sense since Locarno was a shady character

But they changed him into loveable, cheeky chappy Paris by episode two...so it didn't matter anymore

I was more surprised that they tried to turn him back into Locarno for the sake of the episodes building up to "investigations" (that felt totally unconvincing)
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Old February 16 2014, 03:48 AM   #9
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Re: WoulD Voyager have been better if Paris and Chakotays tension last

Chakotay/Tom-No


.....but I wouldn't have minded if the played out the tension between Chakotay & Tuvok for a season. The tension between Tom & Chuckles was fake, Tom was only doing it under orders from Janeway but the animosity between Chuck & Tuvok was real. Chakotay felt tricked by him and Tuvok was so smug about it, you could see in the first few eps Chakotay hated him. I didn't feel it ever got proper resolution.
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Old February 16 2014, 03:51 AM   #10
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Re: WoulD Voyager have been better if Paris and Chakotays tension last

The problem with this is that Paris proved his loyalty rather early on in the series. If they kept Paris as somebody who shirked his duty and did stuff his own way, preserving the tension would make sense. But as it was presented by the viewer, Paris's loyalty was beyond reproach and it wouldn't make any sense if Chakotay, seeing what we saw, kept questioning it.
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Old February 16 2014, 03:53 AM   #11
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The problem with this is that Paris proved his loyalty rather early on in the series. If they kept Paris as somebody who shirked his duty and did stuff his own way, preserving the tension would make sense. But as it was presented by the viewer, Paris's loyalty was beyond reproach and it wouldn't make any sense if Chakotay, seeing what we saw, kept questioning it.
Yeah, it would make Chakotay come off as a bully and an asshole.
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Old February 16 2014, 06:39 AM   #12
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Re: WoulD Voyager have been better if Paris and Chakotays tension last

That would mean the writers of VOY actually giving a damn about anything BS (Before Seven), or being permitted to bring it forward and develop it by the PTB--a flaw that was endemic to the entire series.
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Old February 16 2014, 06:53 PM   #13
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Re: WoulD Voyager have been better if Paris and Chakotays tension last

I do think the Paris/Chakotay tensions could've gone on a bit longer, but there wasn't enough between them to last more than a season, especially since both of them had been established as moral men with principles (Paris wavered a little, but owned up to his mistakes). I could see it lasting one season with the tensions wrapped up by the first season finale but not more than that.

The tensions between the Maquis and Tuvok should have lasted longer, I agree on that.
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Old February 16 2014, 07:38 PM   #14
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I would have liked to see more tension

Sexy tension.
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Old February 17 2014, 01:49 AM   #15
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Hazel wrote: View Post
I would have liked to see more tension ... Sexy tension.
... AGREED!!! What's all that T&A on the show for, if not some Sexual Tension to spice up the scripts? And we got precious little of that. Surprising how that can happen, especially in a STAR TREK series ...
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