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Old February 26 2014, 07:44 AM   #31
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I agree with the comments that there shouldn't be a typical 'Villain-is mad-about-something-and-wants-to-destroy-Earth-for-no-other-reason-that-the-audience-is-from-Earth.'

Villains can be 'mother nature,' or a phenomenon (like the first two 'Genesis Wave' books) that gives the characters something to fix, and possibly learn from over the course of the story. Of course, that would mean the writers actually have to - gasp! - think outside the box and give us an original story that central to this reboot. (Since, according to Abrams, this 'reboot' was all about wiping the slate clean and giving us ORIGINAL stories!)

Klingons have been so overused in Trek, I would hope they can use some other alien races if they - TPTB - need some humanoid antagonists or a non-antagonistic alien race to feature prominently.
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Old February 26 2014, 09:54 AM   #32
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A big NO to any idea involving the Borg
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HAha! What the hell?
Sorry, but it's only a matter of when they'll return.
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Old February 26 2014, 01:21 PM   #33
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Soran.

What happened to El Auria, that's presumably in the 2260s. But was out of range in the Prime Universe. Just refugee ships journeying for decades. Well, now the ships travel at transwarp and Starfleet has made its presence felt, further out than before.

A mounting threat from a truly zombie reinvention of the Borg. Not a Queen in sight. Why do they need to be led anyway? They're more of a disease, than a race.
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Old February 26 2014, 01:33 PM   #34
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I have to agree about getting rid of the whole QUEEN idea. I don't know what it is about STAR TREK aliens, they are not allowed to be very alien, for long. Like Vulcans. They are just pointy eared Humans, in ENTERPRISE, pretty much, who like to use the catchword "Logic" alot. The Klingons were cool, too, before Worf turned them into people who sniff eachother like dogs, when they're in heat. When these aliens are seldom used, little shown and hardly known, they work out the best for the show, I feel ... Definitely right, though, get rid of the Borg Queen. However, Alice Krige is an awesome actress! I loved her in the DUNE series.
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Old February 26 2014, 02:28 PM   #35
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Soran.
Nooo, dear God in heaven!! I love Malcolm McDowell as an actor, but Soran was one of the weakest "villains" in Trek. So poorly executed. He was just a cypher of a villain, an excuse to bring Kirk and Picard onscreen together for the hand-off. The gunfight in the middle of the desert was painful to watch. As soon as I saw the bridge crossing that span, I knew someone was going to either blow it up, get thrown off it, or die on it.

Little did I know...
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Old February 26 2014, 03:48 PM   #36
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Soran could work, but not as a villain. The Enterprise gets sacrificed to stop the Borg invasion of El Auria, the crew save Soran.

Later an enraged khan-blood enhanced Kirk, takes control of the Vengeance to battle the 23rd century borg and defeats them.

The consquencies of saving El Auria means Kirk from the future does not die, leaving him open to return in the next installment.

I like it.
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Old February 26 2014, 08:45 PM   #37
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2takesfrakes wrote: View Post
I have to agree about getting rid of the whole QUEEN idea. I don't know what it is about STAR TREK aliens, they are not allowed to be very alien, for long. Like Vulcans. They are just pointy eared Humans, in ENTERPRISE, pretty much, who like to use the catchword "Logic" alot. The Klingons were cool, too, before Worf turned them into people who sniff eachother like dogs, when they're in heat. When these aliens are seldom used, little shown and hardly known, they work out the best for the show, I feel ... Definitely right, though, get rid of the Borg Queen. However, Alice Krige is an awesome actress! I loved her in the DUNE series.
The Borg queen was created out of necessity. The Borg were conceptually flawed before her creation.
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Old February 26 2014, 08:56 PM   #38
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No they weren't. Everything about them was designed around a decentralized concept. Their ships, their will. The queen was the antithesis of their initial concept.
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Old February 26 2014, 09:10 PM   #39
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There's no such thing as a decentralized will. That's a paradox.
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Old February 26 2014, 09:44 PM   #40
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Harry Mudd, interstellar drug lord, uses his army of androids (including the Alice series, the Barbara series, the Herman series, the Trudy series, the Maisie series, and particularly the Annabelle series) to establish a chain of brothels throughout the galaxy, known as Mudd's Chicken Ranches.

An improved Venus drug, with no withdrawal symptoms, is surreptitiously distributed through physical encounters with the androids.

The brothels prove so popular that the hotspots of Wrigley's Pleasure Planet and Risa are faced with financial ruin until Kirk decides on his own that Mudd must be stopped.

Note: The Stella series is used as bouncers at the brothels.
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Old February 26 2014, 09:47 PM   #41
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There's no such thing as a decentralized will. That's a paradox.
You've been to every corner of the universe to know that for certain have you?

No, that's not really true. There are many examples of where we are seeing signs of decentralization in our own society. The internet is a good enough example. It has no singular "center." It is a mass of connections from all over the planet. Even if you start shutting down servers, there is no "master server" that runs the whole thing.

All you need is a similar network, subspace connections, and some kind of software that spread throughout the initial planetary network and took over the minds of the people on that world. In Q Who the Borg were still shown to be breeding, and immediately after birth connecting their young to mechanisms, very likely affecting their minds with a software component. Assimilation would be no different. An indoctrination of the mind with advanced computer software. Probably/possibly corrupted from it's original intent.

The Borg were a lovecraftian concept, and it was what made them an interesting and horrifying threat to begin with. Giving them the Queen turned them into a glorified bee hive, with the addition of all her petty individual traits. Not to mention making the borg painfully easy to over come.
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Old February 26 2014, 10:00 PM   #42
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There's no such thing as a decentralized will. That's a paradox.
They seem to have initially been based on the collective intelligence of ant colonies, which is probably where the "queen" idea came from. Could've lived without it myself, it was a tad too predictable.
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Old February 27 2014, 01:54 AM   #43
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Gorn?

Wake me when it's over.
You're Gorn to have a very long nap.
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Old February 27 2014, 04:32 AM   #44
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It's not going to be Mudd. They already covered this in the comics and even reference the 'Mudd Incident' in STID. That was his ship they took to Kronos.

I think they're working towards a Klingon war, so I wouldn't be too surprised to see a particularly nasty Klingon villain in the next film.
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Old February 27 2014, 06:15 AM   #45
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It's not going to be Mudd. They already covered this in the comics and even reference the 'Mudd Incident' in STID. That was his ship they took to Kronos.
That doesn't mean it won't happen. And the comics aren't canon.
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