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Old February 25 2014, 03:21 PM   #16
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Carol Marcus (transformed into the new Borg Queen)
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Old February 26 2014, 12:14 AM   #17
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A big NO to any idea involving the Borg
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Old February 26 2014, 12:45 AM   #18
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HAha! What the hell?
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Old February 26 2014, 01:41 AM   #19
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Am I the only one who wants Cloud William? Though I suppose he isn't really a villain.
You'd have to include Ron Tracey. Can we stand yet another corrupt high-ranking officer in Starfleet?
Why not? It's not like Ron Tracey was the only renegade officer in TOS.
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Old February 26 2014, 01:46 AM   #20
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Or, they could take advantage of the reboot spin and the adversary is Captain Janice Lester. Though she's still nuts.
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Old February 26 2014, 02:11 AM   #21
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Am I the only one who wants Cloud William? Though I suppose he isn't really a villain.
The "Cloud William" persona is only a guise, though. We could find out that he's the evil mastermind Ee'd Pleb Nasty.
Ee'd Pleb Nastay, bustin' out with some yang free-stylin'. boooeey!

I'm sorry.
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Old February 26 2014, 02:27 AM   #22
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This.
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Old February 26 2014, 02:36 AM   #23
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^She's not icy enough.

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Old February 26 2014, 03:21 AM   #24
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No movie like Trek is going to sell without a plotline, you can't have a proper plotline in Trek if there's no bad guy.
What options is there if there's not going to be a bad guy?
What action could there be without a bad guy?
A movie's antagonist doesn't necessarily need to be a specific person with a specific, morally questionable motivation.

An antagonist can be drawn as a more abstract threat.

Still maintaining tension, but not being a "bad guy" exactly.

A villain could be a specific person (Khan, Admiral Marcus, Nero, Shinzon, Ru'Afo, the Borg Queen, etc) who is attributed as being morally questionable, against the purity and 'goodness' of the protagonist characters.

A villain could be, though, an abstract concept as well. And it often was, in TOS the television series and occasionally in the TOS movies as well.

THE MOTION PICTURE has a villain (V'Ger) whose motivations are not particularly evil, but who is still a threat to the Federation despite not being a 'bad guy' per se. THE VOYAGE HOME, likewise, has got a probe that threatens Earth, despite not in itself being a specific person, although it has got a specific motivation (find the whales).

THE DOOMSDAY MACHINE, one of TOS's most lauded television instalments, features a large entity of sorts whose motivation is to be self-sustaining, to gain 'nourishment' to stay 'alive', which it just happens to do by destroying planets and starships. The fact that the titular doomsday machine isn't a recognisably humanoid 'villain' (heck, the fact that it arguably isn't even *sentient*, as such!) doesn't lessen it's impact as a villainous force that the Enterprise needs to Stop At All Costs.

When people call on the next movie to feature something other than another Khan/Nero/Shinzon/Ru'Afo/etc style "bad guy who is after REVENGE", what they're really asking the producers is to be more creative, to use Star Trek's format in a way that it has been in the past, to portray a wider galaxy than just out own little corner of it. Give us something new, something different. Strange new worlds, new life, new civilizations. New motivations and new threats.

Believe it or not, it can be done.

Or they could just take the easy way out, and have the Enterprise fighting off a fleet of warships commanded by some moustache twirling villain out for revenge. Yawn.
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Old February 26 2014, 03:33 AM   #25
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Like others have said, I too, hope it is The Gorn. I want to see their home world of dinosauria and other giant fauna. I think it would be cool as all hell to see Kirk/Spock/Bones land in a shuttle there, trying to alter the course of the war they tried to start in TOS, over that starbase. A lot of potential ...
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Old February 26 2014, 04:32 AM   #26
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Gorn?

Wake me when it's over.
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Old February 26 2014, 04:42 AM   #27
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Old February 26 2014, 05:12 AM   #28
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I had a long post that I just decided to delete. Instead I shall only say this.

We went Into Darkness last time, now I think it's time to step back into the light.

No big evil star ships. No cities being torn asunder by a giant saucer-turned into bench-saw hacking down sky scrapers. No super-human super-acrobatics. No evil admirals or evil anybodies with the need to blow everything up.

...Though I wouldn't be against a Klingon adversary, the likes of a re-imagined Kor, Koloth, or Kang. Giving the Enterprise an even match, but, not as the central focus of the story.


I just want to see something closer to a great adventure story. Something that touches on the human condition and our sense of wanting to understand the world. Basically a page out of what the new Cosmos will tap into in a few weeks. (Hopefully! )
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Old February 26 2014, 05:21 AM   #29
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We went Into Darkness last time, now I think it's time to step back into the light.
The last time TPTB used that logic we got floating androids and boob jokes.

Just sayin...
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Old February 26 2014, 06:36 AM   #30
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The last time TPTB used that logic we got floating androids and boob jokes.

Just sayin...
I don't mean to antagonize, but... Your outlook is that having a more positive, adventure focused turn, instead of the darker, grittier action tone will equal... boob jokes?

Besides, TC(urrent)PTB are going to put in a boob joke somewhere anyway. Or, at least, some manner of titillation.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xb5tdqplTqQ



Especially for the 50th, where the knee-jerk reaction will be to fill the story with nothing but references, easter eggs, nods, winks... I'd go the other way, i'd push for a really good Star Trek story with just a very few really organic connections to the past, and with the emphasis on Trek. I wouldn't even have Earth in the film at all. In classic TOS style the first thing you'd see is the Enterprise fly into view to the classic fanfare.


There's a lot of juicy visuals to be had here. Even juicier emotional moments. I submit the Niburu sequence as to what kind of Trek movie that could be like.



Just a quick aside, mid rant, those of you who think a Trek movie lacking a central antagonist couldn't work. Just think about how well that opening scene worked. Why? Because the core of the scene is human(and Vulcan) drama. There's a legitimate conflict at work there. The visuals are exciting, and put you on the edge of your seat. It's all based in the drama of the situation. You don't need mustache twirlers and super starships to have a good time in a science fiction film.

Heck, you could have, for the sake of the 50th, Old Spock back again, discovering something of immense importance, some great cosmic mystery(Something that is not of his universe or time, and as such he would not feel compelled to be silent), and only the crew of the Enterprise can solve. You could involve the Klingons through this aspect, too. Getting wind of who Spock is they try to chase him down and abduct him as he races to meet the Enterprise. So the Klingons wind up involved/in pursuit.
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