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Old February 23 2014, 06:48 PM   #31
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Oh, how could I forget Starman? That was a terrific show. Turns out it is available on DVD, but only as print-on-demand, for 36 bucks.


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Wikipedia says Cleopatra 2525 lasted two, 14-episode seasons.
That's odd... I remembered season 2 as being shorter than that, though the first season was half-hour episodes and the second was hourlong.


I mean, if one wanted to be technical, The Prisoner got a second season, too, albeit a truncated one of four episodes that are probably the worst of the series.
That's not right. It was originally meant to have seven episodes -- in McGoohan's preferred order, "Arrival," "Free For All," "Dance of the Dead," "Checkmate," "The Chimes of Big Ben," and the 2-part finale "Once Upon a Time" and "Fall Out" -- but the network insisted on ten more, which were more episodic and occasionally little more than filler. In production order, the extra ten episodes were shot between "Once Upon a Time" and "Fall Out." But the 17 episodes aired continuously with only a single 2-week gap between "Living in Harmony" and "The Girl Who Was Death," the two most fillery and least-liked episodes and the ones that directly preceded the 2-part finale.
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Old February 23 2014, 07:22 PM   #32
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Firefly
John Doe
Odyssey 5
Threshold
I forgot about Threshold. I really liked that show.

I'll add Jericho too.
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Old February 23 2014, 07:22 PM   #33
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John Doe! I sorta liked that show. I didn't really care for Threshold. Odyssey Five had a great premise and great actors, but the individual episodes were very boring.
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I mean, if one wanted to be technical, The Prisoner got a second season, too, albeit a truncated one of four episodes that are probably the worst of the series.
That's not right. It was originally meant to have seven episodes -- in McGoohan's preferred order, "Arrival," "Free For All," "Dance of the Dead," "Checkmate," "The Chimes of Big Ben," and the 2-part finale "Once Upon a Time" and "Fall Out" -- but the network insisted on ten more, which were more episodic and occasionally little more than filler. In production order, the extra ten episodes were shot between "Once Upon a Time" and "Fall Out." But the 17 episodes aired continuously with only a single 2-week gap between "Living in Harmony" and "The Girl Who Was Death," the two most fillery and least-liked episodes and the ones that directly preceded the 2-part finale.
They were certainly broadcast as a 17-episode run (or, in the US, 16 episodes, since "Living in Harmony" wasn't shown initially), but I was under the impression that the production history of the show was:

(1) A 13-episode first series was produced, with "Once Upon A Time" as the intended cliffhanger. That episode was shot sixth to accommodate shooting Leo McKern's episodes back-to-back. After this run, George Markstein (script editor) had a falling out with McGoohan, and did not return for the second series.

(2) A second series was produced, which consisted of only four episodes because the network cancelled the series prematurely, forcing McGoohan to rush the scripting, filming, and post-production of "Fall Out." These episodes were not filmed using the Portmeirion location.
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If one were to get technical, like Starhunter, BSG '78 got a second season. Folks may like to dismiss Galactica 1980 (justifiably so) but it did happen.
Galactica 1980 is generally considered to be a separate spin-off show rather than a seaQuest-style overhaul within an ongoing series.

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Another that was somewhat interesting was Sarah Connor Chronicles.
That ran for two seasons.
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Firefly
John Doe
Odyssey 5
Threshold
I forgot about Threshold. I really liked that show.

I'll add Jericho too.
Fan support got Jericho a second season.
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If one were to get technical, like Starhunter, BSG '78 got a second season. Folks may like to dismiss Galactica 1980 (justifiably so) but it did happen.
Galactica 1980 is generally considered to be a separate spin-off show rather than a seaQuest-style overhaul within an ongoing series.

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Another that was somewhat interesting was Sarah Connor Chronicles.
That ran for two seasons.
Its been awhile since I've seen it but does The New Original Wonder Woman count as a one season show? It was set during WWII and aired on a different network from The New Adventures of Wonder Woman.
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Old February 23 2014, 09:09 PM   #38
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^ I don't think so. I never saw it that way.
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Old February 23 2014, 09:09 PM   #39
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Firefly
Space Above and Beyond
Invasion
Wonderfalls (Fantasy is close enough)
Odyssey 5
Dark Skies
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Journeyman would have been one that I really wanted to see keep going.

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...I was under the impression that the production history of the show was:

(1) A 13-episode first series was produced, with "Once Upon A Time" as the intended cliffhanger. That episode was shot sixth to accommodate shooting Leo McKern's episodes back-to-back. After this run, George Markstein (script editor) had a falling out with McGoohan, and did not return for the second series.

(2) A second series was produced, which consisted of only four episodes because the network cancelled the series prematurely, forcing McGoohan to rush the scripting, filming, and post-production of "Fall Out." These episodes were not filmed using the Portmeirion location.
Okay, I did some research, and apparently this is a fan myth that's rooted in some degree of truth. Yes, there were two separate production cycles, one with 13 episodes filmed from September 1966 to April 1967 and one with 4 episodes filmed from August 1967 to January 1968. But no, the second cycle was not a second 13-episode season that was cancelled prematurely.

http://numbersixwasinnocent.blogspot...-beast-or.html

The main contention of prisoner fan books concerns the reasons for number of episodes being 17.... They have derived a notion that because a block of 13 episodes formed the first part of the production process that there was an intention to have a further 13 and perhaps even another 13 after that. McGoohan, in 1977, had told them his truth, but as was typical of the cult fans, they simply did not believe him....

In fact, despite all the fan-club rumour-mongering and their unattributable reports of off-stage whispering, there is clear and irrefutable evidence that the number of episodes had been confirmed at 17 within 1966. In February 1967 an American newspaper article quotes Mike Dann as having purchased at least 17 episodes of the new McGoohan show called The Prisoner. From the tenses implied within the quotes it is evident that Dann had first confirmed the deal before a single episode had been shot.
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Before the August 1967 second shooting schedule ever began the number of 17 was reiterated as a certainty, with McGoohan’s clear statement that he would be making only four more episodes.
There's no question that it was McGoohan's own choice to make it a limited series. He didn't like the idea of dragging out a concept indefinitely, and even 17 episodes was more than he wanted and the absolute maximum he would agree to. The network absolutely did not "cancel" the series -- McGoohan ended it on his own terms.



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Galactica 1980 is generally considered to be a separate spin-off show rather than a seaQuest-style overhaul within an ongoing series.
Not only considered to be, but definitely was. Battlestar Galactica was cancelled, period. Its cast and crew moved on to other projects. But ABC had lost a lot of money on the show and pressured Larson to make a sequel series that would amortize the cost of the sets, props, costumes, and stock footage while being shot in a more inexpensive Earthbound setting. Since most of the original show's creators and stars had gone, G80's production had few people in common with the original. It was definitely a separate series, a sequel rather than a continuation. (Not to mention a soft reboot, because the original was pretty clearly in Earth's future, and the sequel series supposedly set decades later was in Earth's present.)

The basis for the confusion is that G80 was folded into BSG's rerun-syndication package and the episode had their title cards changed to read Battlestar Galactica, creating the impression that it was a continuation of the same series.


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Its been awhile since I've seen it but does The New Original Wonder Woman count as a one season show? It was set during WWII and aired on a different network from The New Adventures of Wonder Woman.
That's definitely a single continuous series. Despite the title, network, and format changes, it was a continuing production with largely the same cast and crew. ABC was hesitant about renewing the show because of its period setting, so CBS swooped in and offered the producers a pickup if they'd move it to a contemporary setting and a more standard '70s adventure format.
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Thanks for clearing that up, Christopher. That's a neat little blog.

I've been re-watching the series (which is beautiful on Blu-Ray) and have so far enjoyed each of the "first 13" I've seen (some, of course, are better than others). My recollection of the "second 4" is less than fond, but it's been a while since I've seen them. I'm curious if they hold up or not. Of those, "Fall Out" is the one I recall best, even if it's sort of a mess.
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For reference, here are the North American SFF (broadly defined) live action one-hour shows that were one-and-dones ordered chronologically:

1960s

The Time Tunnel (ABC)
The Girl from U.N.C.L.E. (NBC)

1970s

The Immortal (ABC)
Search (NBC)
Ghost Story/Circle of Fear (NBC)
The Starlost (CTV)
Kolchak: The Night Stalker (ABC, preceded by 2 telemovies)
Planet of the Apes (CBS)
The Invisible Man (NBC)
The Gemini Man (NBC)
The Fantastic Journey (NBC)
Future Cop (ABC)
Logan's Run (CBS)
The Man from Atlantis (NBC, preceded by 4 telemovies)
Battlestar Galactica (ABC)
Time Express (CBS)
A Man Called Sloane (NBC)

1980s

Galactica 1980 (ABC)
Beyond Westworld (CBS)
Darkroom (ABC)
Herbie, the Love Bug (CBS)
Q.E.D. (CBS)
The Phoenix (ABC)
The Powers of Matthew Star (NBC)
Voyagers! (NBC)
Tucker's Witch (CBS)
Wizards and Warriors (CBS)
Manimal (NBC)
Whiz Kids (CBS)
Automan (ABC)
V (NBC, preceded by 2 miniseries)
Street Hawk (ABC)
Otherworld (CBS)
Misfits of Science (NBC)
Shadow Chasers (ABC)
The Wizard (CBS)
Starman (ABC)
Outlaws (CBS)
Once a Hero (ABC)
The Highwayman (NBC)
Probe (ABC)
Something Is Out There (NBC)
Hard Time on Planet Earth (CBS)
Alien Nation (Fox, followed by 5 telemovies)

1990s

The Flash (CBS)
She-Wolf of London/Love and Curses (Syndicated)
They Came from Outer Space (Syndicated)
Shades of L.A. (Syndicated)
Dark Shadows (NBC)
The 100 Lives of Black Jack Savage (NBC)
Eerie, Indiana (NBC)
Nightmare Cafe (NBC)
Mann & Machine (NBC)
Human Target (ABC)
Space Rangers (CBS)
Matrix (USA)
The Adventures of Brisco County, Jr. (Fox)
RoboCop (Syndicated)
Heaven Help Us (Syndicated)
M.A.N.T.I.S. (Fox)
Space Precinct (Syndicated)
Earth 2 (NBC)
TekWar (CTV, preceded by 4 telemovies)
VR.5 (Fox)
Legend (UPN)
Mysterious Island (Family Channel)
Nowhere Man (UPN)
Deadly Games (UPN)
Strange Luck (Fox)
American Gothic (CBS)
Space: Above and Beyond (Fox)
Kindred: The Embraced (Fox)
Tarzan: The Epic Adventures (Syndicated)
Dark Skies (NBC)
Roar (Fox)
The Visitor (Fox)
Timecop (ABC)
Conan (Syndicated)
Team Knight Rider (ABC)
Sleepwalkers (NBC)
Prey (ABC)
Welcome to Paradox (Sci-Fi)
The Crow: Stairway to Heaven (Syndicated)
Fantasy Island (ABC)
Highlander: The Raven (Syndicated)
Mortal Kombat: Conquest (Syndicated)
Mercy Point (UPN)
Brimstone (Fox)
Total Recall 2070 (Showtime)
Crusade (TNT)
Now and Again (CBS)
Harsh Realm (Fox)

2000s

The Others (NBC)
The Secret Adventures of Jules Verne (CBC)
Freakylinks (Fox)
The Immortal (Syndicated)
Queen of Swords (Syndicated)
The Fearing Mind (Fox Family)
Freedom (UPN)
Level 9 (UPN)
Black Scorpion (Sci-Fi)
The Lone Gunmen (Fox)
All Souls (UPN)
The Chronicle (Sci-Fi)
Dead Last (WB)
MythQuest (PBS)
Tales from the Neverending Story (Hallmark)
Odyssey 5 (Showtime)
The Twilight Zone (UPN)
Firefly (Fox, followed by a feature film)
John Doe (Fox)
Haunted (UPN)
That Was Then (ABC)
Birds of Prey (WB)
Dinotopia (ABC, preceded by a miniseries)
Miracles (ABC)
Veritas: The Quest (ABC)
Tremors (Sci-Fi)
Jake 2.0 (UPN)
Tarzan (WB)
Kingdom Hospital (ABC)
Wonderfalls (Fox)
Century City (CBS)
Point Pleasant (Fox)
Charlie Jade (Space)
Threshold (CBS)
Surface (NBC)
Invasion (ABC)
Night Stalker (ABC)
Blade: The Series (Spike)
Day Break (ABC)
The Dresden Files (Sci-Fi)
Painkiller Jane (Sci-Fi)
John from Cincinnati (HBO)
Masters of Science Fiction (ABC)
Flash Gordon (Sci-Fi)
Journeyman (NBC)
Bionic Woman (NBC)
Moonlight (CBS)
The Middleman (ABC Family)
Knight Rider (NBC)
Life on Mars (ABC)
Kings (NBC)
Defying Gravity (ABC)
Eastwick (ABC)
FlashForward (ABC)

2010s

Caprica (Syfy)
Past Life (Fox)
Persons Unknown (NBC)
The Gates (ABC)
The Event (NBC)
No Ordinary Family (ABC)
The Cape (NBC)
Camelot (Starz)
The Nine Lives of Chloe King (ABC Family)
The Secret Circle (CW)
A Gifted Man (CBS)
Terra Nova (Fox)
Alcatraz (Fox)
The River (ABC)
Awake (NBC)
Last Resort (ABC)
666 Park Avenue (ABC)
Primeval: New World (Space)
Do No Harm (NBC)
Zero Hour (ABC)
Siberia (NBC)
Ravenswood (ABC Family)
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Out Of My Vulcan Mind wrote: View Post
For reference, here are the North American SFF (broadly defined) live action one-hour shows that were one-and-dones ordered chronologically:

1960s

The Time Tunnel (ABC)
The Girl from U.N.C.L.E. (NBC)

1970s

The Immortal (ABC)
Search (NBC)
Ghost Story/Circle of Fear (NBC)
The Starlost (CTV)
Kolchak: The Night Stalker (ABC, preceded by 2 telemovies)
Planet of the Apes (CBS)
The Invisible Man (NBC)
The Gemini Man (NBC)
The Fantastic Journey (NBC)
Future Cop (ABC)
Logan's Run (CBS)
The Man from Atlantis (NBC)
Battlestar Galactica (ABC)
Time Express (CBS)
A Man Called Sloane (NBC)

1980s

Galactica 1980 (ABC)
Beyond Westworld (CBS)
Darkroom (ABC)
Herbie, the Love Bug (CBS)
Q.E.D. (CBS)
The Phoenix (ABC)
The Powers of Matthew Star (NBC)
Voyagers! (NBC)
Tucker's Witch (CBS)
Wizards and Warriors (CBS)
Manimal (NBC)
Whiz Kids (CBS)
Automan (ABC)
V (NBC, preceded by 2 miniseries)
Street Hawk (ABC)
Otherworld (CBS)
Misfits of Science (NBC)
Shadow Chasers (ABC)
The Wizard (CBS)
Starman (ABC)
Outlaws (CBS)
Once a Hero (ABC)
The Highwayman (NBC)
Probe (ABC)
Something Is Out There (NBC)
Hard Time on Planet Earth (CBS)
Alien Nation (Fox, followed by 5 telemovies)

1990s

The Flash (CBS)
She-Wolf of London/Love and Curses (Syndicated)
They Came from Outer Space (Syndicated)
Shades of L.A. (Syndicated)
Dark Shadows (NBC)
The 100 Lives of Black Jack Savage (NBC)
Eerie, Indiana (NBC)
Nightmare Cafe (NBC)
Mann & Machine (NBC)
Human Target (ABC)
Space Rangers (CBS)
Matrix (USA)
The Adventures of Brisco County, Jr. (Fox)
RoboCop (Syndicated)
Heaven Help Us (Syndicated)
M.A.N.T.I.S. (Fox)
Space Precinct (Syndicated)
Earth 2 (NBC)
TekWar (CTV, preceded by 4 telemovies)
VR.5 (Fox)
Legend (UPN)
Mysterious Island (Family Channel)
Nowhere Man (UPN)
Deadly Games (UPN)
Strange Luck (Fox)
American Gothic (CBS)
Space: Above and Beyond (Fox)
Kindred: The Embraced (Fox)
Tarzan: The Epic Adventures (Syndicated)
Dark Skies (NBC)
Roar (Fox)
The Visitor (Fox)
Timecop (ABC)
Conan (Syndicated)
Team Knight Rider (ABC)
Sleepwalkers (NBC)
Prey (ABC)
Welcome to Paradox (Sci-Fi)
The Crow: Stairway to Heaven (Syndicated)
Fantasy Island (ABC)
Highlander: The Raven (Syndicated)
Mortal Kombat: Conquest (Syndicated)
Mercy Point (UPN)
Brimstone (Fox)
Total Recall 2070 (Showtime)
Crusade (TNT)
Now and Again (CBS)
Harsh Realm (Fox)

2000s

The Others (NBC)
The Secret Adventures of Jules Verne (CBC)
Freakylinks (Fox)
The Immortal (Syndicated)
Queen of Swords (Syndicated)
The Fearing Mind (Fox Family)
Freedom (UPN)
Level 9 (UPN)
Black Scorpion (Sci-Fi)
The Lone Gunmen (Fox)
All Souls (UPN)
The Chronicle (Sci-Fi)
Dead Last (WB)
MythQuest (PBS)
Tales from the Neverending Story (Hallmark)
Odyssey 5 (Showtime)
The Twilight Zone (UPN)
Firefly (Fox, followed by a feature film)
John Doe (Fox)
Haunted (UPN)
That Was Then (ABC)
Birds of Prey (WB)
Dinotopia (ABC, preceded by a miniseries)
Miracles (ABC)
Veritas: The Quest (ABC)
Tremors (Sci-Fi)
Jake 2.0 (UPN)
Tarzan (WB)
Kingdom Hospital (ABC)
Wonderfalls (Fox)
Century City (CBS)
Point Pleasant (Fox)
Charlie Jade (Space)
Threshold (CBS)
Surface (NBC)
Invasion (ABC)
Night Stalker (ABC)
Blade: The Series (Spike)
Day Break (ABC)
The Dresden Files (Sci-Fi)
Painkiller Jane (Sci-Fi)
John from Cincinnati (HBO)
Masters of Science Fiction (ABC)
Flash Gordon (Sci-Fi)
Journeyman (NBC)
Bionic Woman (NBC)
Moonlight (CBS)
The Middleman (ABC Family)
Knight Rider (NBC)
Life on Mars (ABC)
Kings (NBC)
Defying Gravity (ABC)
Eastwick (ABC)
FlashForward (ABC)

2010s

Caprica (Syfy)
Past Life (Fox)
Persons Unknown (NBC)
The Gates (ABC)
The Event (NBC)
No Ordinary Family (ABC)
The Cape (NBC)
Camelot (Starz)
The Nine Lives of Chloe King (ABC Family)
The Secret Circle (CW)
A Gifted Man (CBS)
Terra Nova (Fox)
Alcatraz (Fox)
The River (ABC)
Awake (NBC)
Last Resort (ABC)
666 Park Avenue (ABC)
Primeval: New World (Space)
Do No Harm (NBC)
Zero Hour (ABC)
Siberia (NBC)
Ravenswood (ABC Family)
Looking at this list makes me wish that we still had the old Sci-Fi Channel. So many of these shows have fallen down the old memory hole never to be seen again. They are neither on DVD or streaming. That's unfortunate. Its also funny how many of these shows were only one season even though I could have sworn they had more. For instance, I remember The Man From Atlantis in syndication. I could have sworn that it was more than one season. But I suppose constantly being in repeats will distort your perception.

Eerie Indiana must have had a sequel because I know they had more episodes with a slightly different name.
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There was also Cult on the CW, but I'm not sure if that ended up having SFF elements.
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