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Old February 20 2014, 11:12 PM   #16
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Re: Asimov's "Foundation" Series as TV or Movie?

Mini-series. Trying to wedge the various vignettes into one overall film (for each book) wouldn't work and no doubt the film would be written to make one major overall action story.
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Old February 20 2014, 11:22 PM   #17
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"Ruined" is not quite the word.
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Old February 20 2014, 11:40 PM   #18
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It's unfilmable.
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Old February 20 2014, 11:48 PM   #19
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Roland Emmerich has the film and TV rights to Foundation. He tried to get it made as a film without success and is now trying to develop it as a TV miniseries.
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Old February 21 2014, 06:54 AM   #20
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Neither. Just fucking leave it be, it's perfect as it is.
...or, we could do that...
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Old February 21 2014, 06:58 AM   #21
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You'd have some odd backward shit going on too, if the same actor played Daneel Olivaw in Foundation first and then the Elijah Baliey Movies later when he is noticeably older.
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Old February 21 2014, 02:48 PM   #22
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Roland Emmerich has the film and TV rights to Foundation. He tried to get it made as a film without success and is now trying to develop it as a TV miniseries.
Roland Emmerich isn't a problem per se, just a Roland Emmerich without Dean Devlin to write the scripts & keep him in check.
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Old February 21 2014, 07:52 PM   #23
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Hollywood already ruined I, Robot. Don't give them more ideas.
They didn't ruin it, they made an almost totally unrelated movie that just so happened to have the same name.

Honestly I'm more annoyed by what was done with Matheson's "I Am Legend". Odd though how Will Smith stared in both of those...
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Old February 22 2014, 12:00 AM   #24
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You'd have some odd backward shit going on too, if the same actor played Daneel Olivaw in Foundation first and then the Elijah Baliey Movies later when he is noticeably older.
So make it an animated miniseries...
Maybe get one of the Animatrix teams/studios to do it...
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Old February 22 2014, 12:25 AM   #25
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If they have to do it, then I definitely agree with doing it as a miniseries. The way it was written lends itself well to that format.
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Old February 22 2014, 12:36 AM   #26
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Do each book as an 8-10 ep per season series. If it gets cancelled, at least a complete book would be filmed.
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Old February 22 2014, 01:28 AM   #27
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Leaving aside for a second the disjointed nature of the narrative, my main problem with any attempt to adapt the Foundation is that to my recollection, the books never did have what you'd call a definitive end point. Which is built in since the central plot is about avoiding there being a definitive end to civilization.

Indeed the absence of a consistent protagonist (not counting recordings of a dead bloke) make if very difficult for me to see how it'd work. It just sort of peters out with the last two (?) books just being something of an epilogue that ties in all of Asimov's robot books as part of a shared continuity.

So my instinct would be to not attempt to adapt the whole thing at all, but just use the established universe to tell a complete story. Either something totally original, or an elaboration on one of the vignettes.
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Old February 22 2014, 02:17 AM   #28
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Leaving aside for a second the disjointed nature of the narrative, my main problem with any attempt to adapt the Foundation is that to my recollection, the books never did have what you'd call a definitive end point. Which is built in since the central plot is about avoiding there being a definitive end to civilization.

Indeed the absence of a consistent protagonist (not counting recordings of a dead bloke) make if very difficult for me to see how it'd work. It just sort of peters out with the last two (?) books just being something of an epilogue that ties in all of Asimov's robot books as part of a shared continuity.

So my instinct would be to not attempt to adapt the whole thing at all, but just use the established universe to tell a complete story. Either something totally original, or an elaboration on one of the vignettes.

I'm not sure not having a definitive endpoint matters an iota.

But the change in characters over times would probably rule out movies and would have to explained in a mini-series (perhaps a screen text giving a rough outline of what's happend, the time elapsed etc etc).

Probably the longest time with the same characters would the section with the mule which makes up much of Foundation and Empire.
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Old February 22 2014, 05:10 AM   #29
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Leaving aside for a second the disjointed nature of the narrative, my main problem with any attempt to adapt the Foundation is that to my recollection, the books never did have what you'd call a definitive end point. Which is built in since the central plot is about avoiding there being a definitive end to civilization.
Well, we know the Foundation made it through the Interregnum, and was successfully publishing the Encyclopedia Galactica still in 1020 F.E. (per the citations on the epigraphs). Since making it there was the driving plot of the series, surely there's been a definitive end point since day 1?

Perhaps there were additional Seldon crises between Foundation and Earth and that end point; perhaps not. But either way, we know they succeeded.
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Old February 22 2014, 07:17 AM   #30
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I wouldn't even see any issue with there being no real consistent protagonist, as they could do it in the way of a chronology since that was the way it showed the passage of time anyway. Each major character is in essence passing the torch to the next one. It wasn't until the later books, Foundation's Edge and Foundation & Earth that it had more of a novel-like structure to it, following characters across two books, as the earlier ones had more or less been a collection of short stories. They can always expand on that and connect them in more efficient ways.
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