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Old March 26 2014, 04:44 AM   #46
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Re: Should a New Star Trek show be willing to kill off major character

I've never understood this "main characters have to die for the show to be enjoyable" mentality. Yes, when done right a main character's death is poignant enough to be one of the show's defining moments, and sometimes it can be tedious to watch the main characters in danger every week only to make it out unscathed while the guest stars are expendable. But killing off main characters isn't the solution, and doesn't automatically guarantee the show is good because of it.

Besides, rarely do main characters get killed off on TV shows in general, and when it does happen it's usually near the end of the season and highly publicized anyway. Even nuBSG didn't start writing anyone out until its final season, and even then they were all prominent supporting characters anyway.

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Kill characters. Pull the heart strings. Russell T. Davies and Stephen Moffat aren't afraid to do it, and look how they're doing.
Pretty bad example, actually. RTD is in fact against killing main characters, feeling its a cheap way for them to leave the show and Moffat very rarely kills anyone in general. Those that do die in his episodes are usually a result of old age, or historical fact if that character is someone real. Even when someone does get killed they tend to get revived, like Strax the Sontaran. Hell, Moffat even went and undid the extinction of the Time Lords. In fact, "Everyone Lives!" endings are one of Moffat's clichés.
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Old March 26 2014, 06:36 AM   #47
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Re: Should a New Star Trek show be willing to kill off major character

But killing off main characters isn't the solution, and doesn't automatically guarantee the show is good because of it.
No, but it would be fun if people would die more often on a good show.
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Old March 26 2014, 06:58 PM   #48
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Re: Should a New Star Trek show be willing to kill off major character

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No, but it would be fun if people would die more often on a good show.
If you kill off characters I like, your show isn't good for me.
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Old March 26 2014, 08:57 PM   #49
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You can have new characters that you like.
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Old March 30 2014, 04:55 PM   #50
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Re: Should a New Star Trek show be willing to kill off major character

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No, but it would be fun if people would die more often on a good show.
If you kill off characters I like, your show isn't good for me.
I fully understand this sentiment. Sometimes in television series or comics etc. I have 1 or maybe 2 characters I really like. It's not just that I like them, I connect to the stories through them. And it's not that I don't like all the other characters. I just don't like them as much. And if my favorite(s) are gone, I might be gone too. So I get what JarodRussell means.
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Old March 31 2014, 04:56 PM   #51
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Re: Should a New Star Trek show be willing to kill off major character

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No, but it would be fun if people would die more often on a good show.
If you kill off characters I like, your show isn't good for me.
Well that's extreme.
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Old March 31 2014, 07:56 PM   #52
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I've never understood this "main characters have to die for the show to be enjoyable" mentality. Yes, when done right a main character's death is poignant enough to be one of the show's defining moments, and sometimes it can be tedious to watch the main characters in danger every week only to make it out unscathed while the guest stars are expendable. But killing off main characters isn't the solution, and doesn't automatically guarantee the show is good because of it.

Besides, rarely do main characters get killed off on TV shows in general, and when it does happen it's usually near the end of the season and highly publicized anyway. Even nuBSG didn't start writing anyone out until its final season, and even then they were all prominent supporting characters anyway.
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Actually a lot of new TV shows have been killing off main characters and not just in the last season, House of Cards and Game of Thrones are two major examples.

Newer shows are not afraid to change the status quo and kill off major characters in order to change the direction of the plot.

Yes, killing off a major character can be done badly, but so can any storyline, saying it can be done badly is not in of itself a very convincing argument.
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Old April 2 2014, 09:29 PM   #53
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Re: Should a New Star Trek show be willing to kill off major character

No!

No!!!

And no again!!!!

When I watch a show, there are two things which can make me like it and stay with it. A good story and good characters!

TOS, TNG, DS9 and Voyager had just that. Another show which I've been watching with great pleasure is NCIS because of the same reasons.

What can make me lose interest is when good characters are killed off or dumped.

So, no assasinations of main characters, thank you!

Those who want that kind of drama can watch the TV news, a funeral or get bored to death by Stargate Universe.
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Old April 3 2014, 03:29 PM   #54
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What can make me lose interest is when good characters are killed off or dumped.
Yeah, I hate it when unexpected things happen in TV shows. Every single episode should be the main characters encountering problems, never being in any danger of being hurt, and always saving the day at the end of the episode. Perfect television.
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Old April 3 2014, 10:53 PM   #55
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Since when has death become the only reason for change?
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Old April 4 2014, 01:41 AM   #56
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I'm not talking about change. I'm talking about dramatic tension. Star Trek is a series where around 7 main characters fight aliens and encounter life or death situations on a weekly basis. If the characters are playing with god mode on it completely removes all the tension and drama from the show.

Why should I care if the Federation goes to war with the Dominion if I know every single character will be perfectly okay at the end of the day? Sure, it can still be entertaining, but there's no tension.
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Old April 4 2014, 03:26 AM   #57
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I'm not talking about change. I'm talking about dramatic tension. Star Trek is a series where around 7 main characters fight aliens and encounter life or death situations on a weekly basis. If the characters are playing with god mode on it completely removes all the tension and drama from the show.

Why should I care if the Federation goes to war with the Dominion if I know every single character will be perfectly okay at the end of the day? Sure, it can still be entertaining, but there's no tension.
I don't require my television to be tense, I'm satisfied with being entertained. But ignoring that, there are other ways to make a show tense then killing main characters.

Besides, even the shows that do kill off main characters usually do so at the beginning or end of the season, mid season stories (for those shows that split the seasons) or some significant "event" episode. 90% of the time, you know everyone will make it out anyway.
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Old April 4 2014, 04:50 AM   #58
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Re: Should a New Star Trek show be willing to kill off major character

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No!
Another show which I've been watching with great pleasure is NCIS because of the same reasons.

What can make me lose interest is when good characters are killed off or dumped.
You do know that NCIS has killed off main characters at least twice and had another one recently leave right?
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Old April 4 2014, 11:30 AM   #59
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No!
Another show which I've been watching with great pleasure is NCIS because of the same reasons.

What can make me lose interest is when good characters are killed off or dumped.
You do know that NCIS has killed off main characters at least twice and had another one recently leave right?
What else are they gonna do when the actors leave? Same thing happened in Trek or Stargate every time the actor said bye bye.
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Old April 4 2014, 03:25 PM   #60
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No!
Another show which I've been watching with great pleasure is NCIS because of the same reasons.

What can make me lose interest is when good characters are killed off or dumped.
You do know that NCIS has killed off main characters at least twice and had another one recently leave right?
What else are they gonna do when the actors leave? Same thing happened in Trek or Stargate every time the actor said bye bye.
So someone saying you don't like shows where characters leave or are written out while saying you like a show that does exactly that doesn't sound a little hypocritical?
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