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Old February 16 2014, 10:07 PM   #31
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Re: If you could only have one: Transporter or Holodeck

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The roads are not gone. We saw San Francisco in detail in STID, and it still had roads - with cars, pedestrians, trains, the whole shebang.
True, all of that is still in the places where humanity still has communities, but a lot of roads might be gone. With the population down from the wars (WW III, Eugenics, etc), plus offworld colonizations, plus improvements in birth control technologies and better education for the population that IS there, there may be whole cities, much less small towns, that just aren't there anymore - so no need for roads or tracks to go to them, either. Maybe it was just me, but even the impression I got of Riverside, IA, in Star Trek 2009 was of a place that, aside from the shipyard facilities, was actually SMALLER than Riverside, IA, in our 2014.
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Old February 16 2014, 10:10 PM   #32
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Easy, Transporter. Vulcan love slaves notwithstanding, a transporter would make travel and commuting so much more speedy and hassle-free. No more traffic, icy roads, or hellish seven-hour flights in coach.

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Old February 16 2014, 10:11 PM   #33
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Re: If you could only have one: Transporter or Holodeck

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Besides, transit-obsessed that I am, sometimes it's *fun* to take a train that takes a bit of time to get where you're going. I'm not necessarily talking about, say, the 4 train at rush hour in NYC, just a leisurely train ride. That can actually be fun. Transporters would do away with all that.

You have actually reminded me of a thought I have in regards to Earth in ST. I love the thought that all the roads are gone.
The roads are not gone. We saw San Francisco in detail in STID, and it still had roads - with cars, pedestrians, trains, the whole shebang.
I never said they WERE gone. Though I really dont count JJ Trek as cannon...

I cant help but feel that, what we were shown in the tv series, perhaps there has been some deconstruction of the road network in areas.
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Old February 16 2014, 10:51 PM   #34
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Re: If you could only have one: Transporter or Holodeck

Holodeck, with of course, safety protocols well-activated. If I make a mistake with the holodeck, I don't risk to be beamed into a brick wall or on a lightning rod.
I don't think a transporter can be something everybody has at home. I would be risky to have a lot of simoultaneous transportation at 8:30 am into a classroom or a office.
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Old February 16 2014, 11:15 PM   #35
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Re: If you could only have one: Transporter or Holodeck

Plus, who wants to teleport with someone and accidentally merge like Tuvix?

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Old February 16 2014, 11:56 PM   #36
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Holodeck. I don't mind defending myself against crazed holoprograms, but there's no way I'm going to let a machine break down my molecules and reassemble them somewhere else.
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Old February 17 2014, 12:13 AM   #37
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You have actually reminded me of a thought I have in regards to Earth in ST. I love the thought that all the roads are gone.
The roads are not gone. We saw San Francisco in detail in STID, and it still had roads - with cars, pedestrians, trains, the whole shebang.
I never said they WERE gone.
You said "I love the thought that all the roads are gone". In what other way could this possibly be interpreted?

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Though I really dont count JJ Trek as cannon...
Don't take this personally, but you have no choice. You MUST take it as canon, simply because it is. It's onscreen, therefore it is. It's not up to you (or me) to decide any differently.

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even the impression I got of Riverside, IA, in Star Trek 2009 was of a place that, aside from the shipyard facilities, was actually SMALLER than Riverside, IA, in our 2014.
Well, to be fair, we never actually saw Riverside in the film. All we saw was the bar and the Starfleet shipyards. We never had any glimpse of the city itself. There were those huge structures off in the distance, but those could be anything.
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Old February 17 2014, 01:04 AM   #38
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Re: If you could only have one: Transporter or Holodeck

For what it's worth, Kirk didn't know how to drive in "A Piece of the Action," but maybe he just didn't know how to use an old-fashioned clutch.
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Old February 17 2014, 04:53 AM   #39
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Plus, who wants to teleport with someone and accidentally merge like Tuvix?
There's a lot of possible transporter accidents (or fake accidents as we see in Data's Day) despite these devices are usually operated by trained people and receive a regulare maintenance. So, a home transporter would need regular visits of a technician from the company...and this technician is a potential victim from a malfunction of your transporter.

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Old February 17 2014, 04:57 AM   #40
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Re: If you could only have one: Transporter or Holodeck

In all honesty-

The transporter can do one thing. Move folks. Yes, that can be good, but with it comes implications (where does the soul go, what happens to the original transportee, etc), plus if the thing ever breaks down you're out of luck.

On the other hand...

If you're handed a holodeck you can create literally anything your heart desires, plus you can use it (with some tools and the right program) to create more holodeck technology- like a repair/backup portable hologram generator so you'll never have to worry about it breaking down. You could even, if you wanted, create your own personal Chief O'Brien and have him make you a transporter, so you could have both.
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Old February 17 2014, 06:40 AM   #41
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There were those huge structures off in the distance, but those could be anything.
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Old February 17 2014, 08:03 AM   #42
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Im going to assume than the holodeck is incapable of inventing new technology by itself without some proper programming our outside stimuli to provoke such development.

Even Geordi worked WITH Leah Brahms....he didnt just drop some pens and paper and say "Yo babe, Im going to grab a pint in ten-forward, have my problem fixed when I get back".
Geordi also created Moriarty. I figure a command to create a character who is smart enough to create transporter or replicator or warp technologies would be pretty useful. Maybe a team of engineers!
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Old February 17 2014, 12:58 PM   #43
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There were those huge structures off in the distance, but those could be anything.
You mean literally ... "anything?"
That quote wasn't me, it was Mr. Laser Beam.
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Old February 17 2014, 12:59 PM   #44
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But if you look at the holographic doctor, it wasn't just a matter of casually asking for a fully capable doctor, the EMH is the result of a specially designed program that took a lot of time and effort to create.

Moriarty really possessed no specialized knowledge, he was a trickster who could figure a few things out..

In order to create basic Leah Brams,, Geordie just needed a holodeck, for more he need multiple personel files from the main computer, and it not clear if Brams could have actually made anything, Brams was a sounding board, it was only as good as it's programming.

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Old February 17 2014, 02:33 PM   #45
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In my dumb opinion, i would go with a transporter. When i ask myself these question i often think of obesity. With a holodeck SURE, you could get a lot more exercise in and you could do anything anywhere, i recn' obesity would be non existent soon after commercial holodecks. However if you had a transporter you could actually go to the real places in seconds. Ski down the alpes for real. Also going on holiday would be cheaper, easier, faster, etc. So transporter for me
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