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Old February 20 2014, 01:04 AM   #76
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Re: If they had any balls...

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It seems to me that the 'exploration' of Nibiru in ST-ID was almost needless- they were there to fix the volcano. Still cannot get over the idea of hiding the ship just off shore was just to make a dramatic reveal at the beginning of the movie- if you were trying to study a planet and it's civilization why risk such cultural contamination for no point?

I too am tired of the bad guy super ships against Earth- they did set the stage for an interesting exploration theme for the third movie, I just hope they have the 'balls' this time to follow through with it and have the Enterprise visit something interesting and not rehash the David vs Goliath plots that dominate the franchise, reboot or not...
The Enterprise wasn't dispatched to Nibiru to 'fix' the volcano, they were on a survey mission and decided to stop the eruption in order to preserve the local population. As for hiding the Enterprise in the ocean, it's implied that the planet had some sort of transporter-inhibiting properties that necessitated close observation.

Also, it was goddamn cool and served a story purpose: it depicted a reckless Captain Kirk who was convinced that his luck was actually skill.

I loved the cold open. It was the first time, ever, that we saw the crew of the Enterprise doing their regular jobs on the big screen without a galaxy-ending crisis hanging over their heads. I hope we see more in the next film.
It would never happen, but what if they made a Trek movie that was like an anthology--maybe three, unrelated adventures of foty-fifty minutes each and each set off by a "Captain's Log" voiceover or two big adventures of forty or fifty minutes and two or hree mini-adventures, like Niburu?
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Old February 20 2014, 01:16 AM   #77
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Oh, and considering the significance of Picard in re-establishing contact with Romulus after sixty years of silence, in stabilizing the Klingon Empire when the Romulans were actively trying to de-stabilize it--first through Duras, then through his sisters and son--and in thwarting the Romulan invasion of Vulcan, Shinzon could have easily played off requesting Picard specifically as a symbolic good will gesture, China extending an invite to Nixon--no hard feelings and a new regime mens a new relationship. He could have presented B-4 as a gift at the diplomatic reception.
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Old February 20 2014, 02:21 AM   #78
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^I hope not. I want them to do something more original than what TNG already did.
Most people wanted STID to be more original than a TWOK knock-off, but then we got Khan as the villain because Hollywood suits feel that's what we wanted. Those same Suits probably think the Borg are what we want, especially since Zombies Are Cool.
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Old February 20 2014, 02:10 PM   #79
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It seems to me that the 'exploration' of Nibiru in ST-ID was almost needless- they were there to fix the volcano. Still cannot get over the idea of hiding the ship just off shore was just to make a dramatic reveal at the beginning of the movie- if you were trying to study a planet and it's civilization why risk such cultural contamination for no point?

I too am tired of the bad guy super ships against Earth- they did set the stage for an interesting exploration theme for the third movie, I just hope they have the 'balls' this time to follow through with it and have the Enterprise visit something interesting and not rehash the David vs Goliath plots that dominate the franchise, reboot or not...
The Enterprise wasn't dispatched to Nibiru to 'fix' the volcano, they were on a survey mission and decided to stop the eruption in order to preserve the local population. As for hiding the Enterprise in the ocean, it's implied that the planet had some sort of transporter-inhibiting properties that necessitated close observation.

Also, it was goddamn cool and served a story purpose: it depicted a reckless Captain Kirk who was convinced that his luck was actually skill.

I loved the cold open. It was the first time, ever, that we saw the crew of the Enterprise doing their regular jobs on the big screen without a galaxy-ending crisis hanging over their heads. I hope we see more in the next film.
It would never happen, but what if they made a Trek movie that was like an anthology--maybe three, unrelated adventures of foty-fifty minutes each and each set off by a "Captain's Log" voiceover or two big adventures of forty or fifty minutes and two or hree mini-adventures, like Niburu?
Man, how fun would that be! But you're right, as a film, it would never happen.

That's my hope for the (eventual) series, actually. A few solid years of high-production-values Trek filled with adventure and excitement. Kirk and Spock, exploring the cosmos, saving planets and generally ignoring the Prime Directive. In short, a straight-ahead remake of TOS in the vein of the new films.

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^I hope not. I want them to do something more original than what TNG already did.
Most people wanted STID to be more original than a TWOK knock-off, but then we got Khan as the villain because Hollywood suits feel that's what we wanted. Those same Suits probably think the Borg are what we want, especially since Zombies Are Cool.
These little bon-mots are fun, but hardly representative of the actual process. Orci and Kurtzman wanted Khan from the very beginning and I've never seen them in a suit. Additionally, no matter how many times its stated, STiD was no TWoK 'knockoff.' If anything, it was a remake of 'Space Seed,' but only a little. In actuality, it was the first Trek film to successfully marry a relevant current-day topic to a thrilling action-adventure story.

A case could be made for TUC, but it was far more ham-fisted in its references than STiD.
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Old February 20 2014, 06:44 PM   #80
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Wait, who changed the name of the thread?!?
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Old February 20 2014, 06:55 PM   #81
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^I thought that was the case.
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Old February 20 2014, 09:07 PM   #82
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[These little bon-mots are fun, but hardly representative of the actual process. Orci and Kurtzman wanted Khan from the very beginning and I've never seen them in a suit.
Please, the "actual process" is even worse, what with them creating the new character John Harrison and then turning him into Khan because "it's what everyone wanted." Seriously, they went through the process of creating and developing a new character and then abandoned him. That says loads about what to expect from them.

In actuality, it was the first Trek film to successfully marry a relevant current-day topic to a thrilling action-adventure story.
I'm sorry, what? What relevant current day topics does STID touch upon? The movie pays lip service to terrorism, but not in any kind of profound or thought-provoking way.
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Old February 20 2014, 09:09 PM   #83
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Wait, who changed the name of the thread?!?
Hehe. I thought for a second I was seeing things!
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Old February 20 2014, 09:41 PM   #84
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Old February 20 2014, 11:12 PM   #85
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In actuality, it was the first Trek film to successfully marry a relevant current-day topic to a thrilling action-adventure story.
I'm sorry, what? What relevant current day topics does STID touch upon? The movie pays lip service to terrorism, but not in any kind of profound or thought-provoking way.
- Blowback from intelligence operations gone wrong or left unattended.
- Former allies turned terrorists.
- The two points above leading to a mass casualty terrorist strike using a flying vehicle on an urban center with huge towers crumbling upon impact, and an attack on the command center of the military where the top brass are located.
- Targeted assassination of your own citizens.
- Unauthorized drone/cruise missile attacks on foreign soil.
- Military/political leaders thinking they are above the law.
- Secret intelligence organizations conducting illegal activities.
- Unlawful and indefinite detainment of prisoners and carrying out punishment without judicial review.
- The dangers of responding to a crisis out of hate, anger, fear, and vengeance.
- Preemptive war launched under false pretenses.
- Attacks on intelligence facilities.

It's not like it was a hidden subtext. They might as well have called it "Star Trek into the American Foreign Policy Experience of the Late 20th and Early 21st Century." Doesn't exactly roll off the tongue, though.
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Old February 21 2014, 01:08 AM   #86
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Those are just generic plot points you can find in the average action thriller since, like, ever. Nothing profound or thought provoking about it, just as Wormhole said.
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Isn't there only like 7 basic plots?
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Old February 21 2014, 01:34 AM   #88
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Those are just generic plot points you can find in the average action thriller since, like, ever. Nothing profound or thought provoking about it, just as Wormhole said.
Uh huh.

"What relevant current day topics does STID touch upon?"

"Well, there's all of these..."

"Those don't count."


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- Military/political leaders thinking they are above the law.
- Secret intelligence organizations conducting illegal activities.
Those two at least are old storytelling tropes and hardly influenced by the current political climate.
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"What relevant current day topics does STID touch upon?"

"Well, there's all of these..."

"These two don't count, even though they're perfectly relevant too."

"But I listed eleven things."
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