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Old February 16 2014, 01:11 AM   #61
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Sam Huntington is an interesting choice. I'll throw in Deborah Ann Woll for Amy though Emma seems a good personality match.
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Old February 16 2014, 01:38 AM   #62
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Tangently related, several months ago I watched a couple of "Mystery Science Theater 3000" episodes that riffed "omnibus" cuts of "Rocky Jones Space Ranger". Both featured a character named Professor Newton, the resident boffins of the group. Joel and the 'Bots compared Newton to the Doctor in the first of those two broadcasts. Cute, but it kinda' breezed by me since the actor Maurice Cass was dressed as the stereotypical elderly scientist in a white lab-coat. But in the second Rocky Jones serial they riffed (in which they didn't make any Doctor Who references) my jaw nearly dropped to the door. Cass dressed not the expected lab-coat, but rather in a thigh length black jacket and a checkered waistcoat. The clothes were nearly identical to William Hartnell's wardrobe!

Take a look at the first few images retrieved from this Google image search...

https://www.google.im/search?q=profe...w=1920&bih=878

Mind you, this was 1954, nine years before Doctor Who debuted. No, I'm not claiming DW "lifted" from Rocky Jones. That kind of ensemble was probably "common" several decades earlier, so it was no doubt just coincidence both shows chose that motif for their educated grandfatherly figures. But I still had to smile. Comparing Newton to the Doctor would have worked better for the second Rocky Jones outing since he dressed the part.

Incidentally, Cass died in the middle of production, so a new "scientific adviser" was introduced, Professor Newberry, a younger character.

That did get me wondering how an American Doctor Who might have looked, but my ponderings explored the idea of it being a Republic Pictures serial made in either the late 40s or early 50s, shown in the theaters as part of the "Saturday matinee". Each episode would end a cliffhanger, well, much like the "real thing" did from 63 to 89, but it would have had that distinctive RKO or Republic flavor, something akin to "Commando Cody". That also got me wondering what would get changed to appeal to American audiences. I suspect Susan would become a younger "Billy" or "Timmy", Barbara would have been made a secretary or, oy vey, a reporter, and Ian would been renamed "Steve", a retired soldier or a "flatfoot" cop.

But I realize this is veering from the mental exercise of this thread, an American television version created in 1963, with cast changes in sync with those of the real program. I wasn't sure if my thoughts warranted a whole thread, so I just slipped them in here.

Carry on.

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Old February 16 2014, 01:58 AM   #63
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^ That's quite interesting, actually. I don't care where this thread goes unless it becomes nothing but comedy. I'd like it to be somewhat a serious exercise, except where comedy is warranted through retro ridiculousness or cultural differences between the US and UK.

I'm sure old serials like that inspired a lot of things. Similar to what Lucas and Spielberg did with Indiana Jones, I'm sure that the creators of an American Doctor Who would be inspired by (and lift from) old sci-fi serials, H.G. Wells, Jules Verne etc.

And I think you're right about the character changes for the first companions. Schoolteachers being replaced by reporters chasing a story for the American version makes sense. Or instead of a scrap yard, what if the TARDIS materialized outside a military base in Nevada or something and the Doctor had to "kidnap" a cop or soldier/military policeman.

And what if it changed the TV landscape of the time? For instance, Star Trek was created in 1966 to compete with Doctor Who in the ratings, and they both became sort of a long-running "Gunsmoke"-type of thing, competing against each other and keeping each show alive for decades? Then Kirk and crew handed the reins over to TNG, and Trek flourished while Doctor Who floundered in the late 80's......
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Old February 16 2014, 02:50 AM   #64
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Yes, we need an American companions list. With an American actress using a horrid English accent as Peri.
Goldie Hawn comes to mind for Jo Grant. Maybe Teri Garr.
I would love either of them, Teri Garr edges out Goildie Hawn, just on my actress/character exposure and preference, but, either would play her awesome...ly(?), IMHO
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Old February 16 2014, 11:04 AM   #65
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George C. Scott for the Roger Delgado version of The Master. Find a pic online of him when he was bearded - there is quite a resemblance IMHO.
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Old February 17 2014, 10:55 AM   #66
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Danny Dyer as the Eric Roberts Master and Patsy Kensit as Grace
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Old February 17 2014, 11:07 AM   #67
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I think that's a bit insulting to Eric Roberts!
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Old February 18 2014, 02:04 AM   #68
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I just don't see Nick Cage taking a TV role in 2004 or Rockwell the next year, even if either were huge fans in this alternate timeline. I'm thinking the more likely pick would be someone either on the upswing of their career or coming down, a character actor who never broke out, or perhaps someone from Whedon's stable (since he is apparently running the show in this alternate universe)

Rather, I propose these alternative:

9 - Christian Slater. He had descended from the heights of his career but was still enough of a name and a good actor when he has material to work with. He does a lot of indie work and I can believe he wouldn't want to be tied down. Playing the role as a damaged but optimistic old soul, Slater brings a touch of sex and swagger to the character as never before.

10 - Neil Patrick Harris - Choosing Doctor Who over 'How I Met Your Mother' to pilot his resurgent career, NPH brings all the charm and bravado (and suits!) of Barney without the cocksure misogyny.
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Old February 18 2014, 02:24 AM   #69
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I just don't see Nick Cage taking a TV role in 2004 or Rockwell the next year, even if either were huge fans in this alternate timeline. I'm thinking the more likely pick would be someone either on the upswing of their career or coming down, a character actor who never broke out, or perhaps someone from Whedon's stable (since he is apparently running the show in this alternate universe)

Rather, I propose these alternative:

9 - Christian Slater. He had descended from the heights of his career but was still enough of a name and a good actor when he has material to work with. He does a lot of indie work and I can believe he wouldn't want to be tied down. Playing the role as a damaged but optimistic old soul, Slater brings a touch of sex and swagger to the character as never before.

10 - Neil Patrick Harris - Choosing Doctor Who over 'How I Met Your Mother' to pilot his resurgent career, NPH brings all the charm and bravado (and suits!) of Barney without the cocksure misogyny.
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Old February 18 2014, 10:02 AM   #70
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I just don't see Nick Cage taking a TV role in 2004 or Rockwell the next year, even if either were huge fans in this alternate timeline. I'm thinking the more likely pick would be someone either on the upswing of their career or coming down, a character actor who never broke out, or perhaps someone from Whedon's stable (since he is apparently running the show in this alternate universe)

Rather, I propose these alternative:

9 - Christian Slater. He had descended from the heights of his career but was still enough of a name and a good actor when he has material to work with. He does a lot of indie work and I can believe he wouldn't want to be tied down. Playing the role as a damaged but optimistic old soul, Slater brings a touch of sex and swagger to the character as never before.

10 - Neil Patrick Harris - Choosing Doctor Who over 'How I Met Your Mother' to pilot his resurgent career, NPH brings all the charm and bravado (and suits!) of Barney without the cocksure misogyny.
I like both of those ideas
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Old February 18 2014, 10:59 AM   #71
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Oooh, those are good ideas. I can definitely see Christian Slater as the alternate Eccleston. And NPH would be a riot as Ten, but could he bring dramatic acting too?
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Old February 18 2014, 11:39 AM   #72
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Absolutely.

He is heartbreaking as Billy in Dr. Horrible.
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Old February 18 2014, 01:42 PM   #73
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I'm sure NPH would bring something interesting to an Americanized Doctor Who, but I don't really see him as a counterpoint to David Tennant.

Personally, I think Tennant and Smith are the hardest to think of analogous American equivalents.
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Old February 18 2014, 02:28 PM   #74
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It isn't about them being equivalent, but the overall change in the show they brought with them. He wouldn't be playing Tennant's Doctor, but rather the alternative 10th and the successor to the more understated and 'fierce' first modern Doctor: younger, hipper, more energetic and theatrical; full of bravado and ego.
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Old February 18 2014, 02:33 PM   #75
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Okay, we've discussed potential actors, we've considered possible time capsule exteriors.

Now, what about the control room? Do you think an American production would designed something akin to the six sided console with the elevating plexi' column, the walls honeycombed with recessed roundels? Hmm, something tells me US creators would opt for something...busier. I'm not sure why, but my mind keeps coming back the flight deck of the Jupiter II, maybe because the layout is similar. It has a centrally located plynth mounted control surface that dominates the scene. I suspect "backers" would think honeycomb walls not interesting enough and demand "lots of blinking lights".

But I think we're overlooking something important, something I'm surprsied Christopher has not yet interjected. Doctor Who, the genuine item, is serialized, each story comprising several episodes, each of them ending in a cliffhanger. Shoot, in the earliest serials, even the conclusion of the overall adventure sequed into the next. Except for "daytime dramas" (read: soap operas), American television was usually structured to present self contained stories. They seldom "called back" events from earlier episodes so that when syndicated, they could be played in nearly any order without ill effect. But with the real DW, not only did episodes of a given story have to be played in a specific order, but the fairly rapid turnover of traveling companions demand the serials should be played in sequence. That goes against the philosophy behind most American primetime drama of the 1960s. I suspect there were exceptions, but they were likely few.

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