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Old February 13 2014, 04:43 PM   #31
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"Chicks" is a very 80s word, and it dates your misogyny.
Wait, we can't call broads "chicks" anymore? Damn.

..What about "chippies"? Is that OK?
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Old February 13 2014, 06:27 PM   #32
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No babies = No sex...
That's not a definite fact. Raising a kid in the Delta Quadrant could be terrifying (with threats like the Borg lurking about). They could be avoiding children though releasing sexual tension with someone stranded with you doesn't mean a baby is on the way. Don't you really think their plan was to abstain from sex for seventy some years?
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Old February 13 2014, 07:28 PM   #33
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What you are forgetting is that he probably saved her personality when she was in his LSD machine.

He had a fully operational Janeway nestled on his bedside table the whole time.

It's not real?

It's not enough?

If you don't think that that's enough, why don't you ask the Clown how well he got fucked by a copy?
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You know what? I might just go ahead and do that Guy!
Chuckles, there's something I've been meaning to ask you ...

To be fair to the love of my fantasy Voyager life... I suspect Guy is referring to THE clown from "The Thaw", not to Chakotay.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LYwEaBu6lfQ

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Old February 13 2014, 09:16 PM   #34
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Oh, yeah!!! Yes! Yes ... yes. The Clown. He was COOL! In any event, I have to admit ... teacakes' description of Chakotay's "Mystical Indian" approach to Janeway almost had me convinced that he'd put her off by that alone. Now, I'm not quite so certain and I'd like your input on this JanewayRulz!, if you don't mind. Because you see, I'm looking at it from ... a different persepective:

Janeway certainly couldn't be completely unfazed by Chakotay's insistance on bringing up his Native Warrior Ways all the time. But I don't think it was a Deal Breaker. Although this idea that, as Captain, she'd want to present herself as being above the need for a relationship, or sex, even and especially in their dire situation ... that's compelling to me. She was certainly more into having fun with the crew in the Holodeck than I remember Picard being, that's for sure. But I don't think she'd have sex with a character in there. It would be too creepy considering the Doctor's a hologram. So ... I suspect that she used Chakotay as a "crutch," basically. She kept the poor man dangling on a thread - knowing full well how desperate he was to have her - for exactly that purpose. He was a sort of Sexual Crutch, that's all. A play boyfriend, lover, husband, whatever she needed from him, without going ... ALL the way.
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Old February 13 2014, 09:45 PM   #35
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2takes you need to watch the show. She did have sex with a holodeck character. It's not even remotely creepy and I think the EMH would be a tad offended that you use HIM as a reason why it is creepy, poor fellah.

And Janeway never tried to present herself as being above the need for a relationship or sex. She is quite open at times about her needs, she just has a very crucial job to do and the lives of the entire ship, both literally and in the sense of their lives back home needing to continue, are on her shoulders. She doesn't want distractions because she doesn't think she can afford distractions.

If I was Janeway I'd be running those holoprograms regularly.. I'd avoid the romance ones because they might trigger those nasty swoony endorphins which is exactly what she doesn't need, as she discovered. But there would be plenty of others for stress relief.
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Old February 13 2014, 10:09 PM   #36
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The Chief Engineer would have to go back farther through her bloodlines, and she probably couldn't find a precise tribe, but Latin = Spanish Colonialist + Native American.

B'Elanna and every other Hispanic crewman on Voyager is a Native American Indian too.

Torres is a Spanish name, not a Klingon name. Duh!
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Old February 13 2014, 10:20 PM   #37
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2takes you need to watch the show. She did have sex with a holodeck character.
... Well, sonofabitch!
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Old February 13 2014, 10:25 PM   #38
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Anyone thinking about Chuckle's Kush?

Not remotely creepy?

She made him grow 2 inches, forced him to go to university for 4 years and killed his wife.

Creepy is in the rear view mirror way back on the horizon.
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Old February 13 2014, 10:51 PM   #39
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I would respond to this intriguing question, Guy, except that ... I don't want to be corrected. I much prefer it when I'm agreed with and people type back things to me like, "... you made a really good point back there, Frakes! I will continue to read your posts with great interest." Mhm ... that's the kind of response I enjoy receiving, the most, I think. In fact ... I'm sure of it.
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Old February 13 2014, 11:39 PM   #40
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I would respond to this intriguing question, Guy, except that ... I don't want to be corrected. I much prefer it when I'm agreed with and people type back things to me like, "... you made a really good point back there, Frakes! I will continue to read your posts with great interest." Mhm ... that's the kind of response I enjoy receiving, the most, I think. In fact ... I'm sure of it.

Ah, then like the EMH's family in Real Life and Janeway's lover in Fairhaven, you'd like a holographic, fully controllable trekbbs poster visiting your threads rather than we living breathing trol... um, trekkies.





Oh... and I mean "Threads" as in the board discussions, NOT "threads" as in 1960's slang for clothing.



As for my take on the Angry Warrior speech...



Look... what did Janeway do when he told her that story... she laughed.



She laughed at the story, she laughed at their situation, the only 2 humans on the planet for the next 50 years. Recall at the beginning of the ep/ the beginning of their exile, he couldn't even contemplate calling her "Kathryn" instead of "Captain".

Of course he wasn't going to confess that he'd been carrying a torch for her for the last 1-2 years.

But the problem with being the strong "silent" type, is that eventually you have to fess up and either say the truth (I've loved you ever since we fought the space whales) or pretend that after 2 years on the ship and 8-12 weeks alone together on the planet, you've SUDDENLY noticed what a handsome, funny, vibrant woman she was and are interested in advancing your relationship beyond roomate status.

So... he waffled and split the difference.

Telling a story that let him say how he felt and letting her laugh at their lives of complete denial.

Now... DESPITE what Kate Mulgrew has said time and again... I maintain that anyone who's seen Janeway sashay from the tomato garden into the hut KNOWS these two did more than hold hands on that planet.



That's MY story and I'm sticking with it!

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Old February 13 2014, 11:48 PM   #41
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I would respond to this intriguing question, Guy, except that ... I don't want to be corrected. I much prefer it when I'm agreed with and people type back things to me like, "... you made a really good point back there, Frakes! I will continue to read your posts with great interest." Mhm ... that's the kind of response I enjoy receiving, the most, I think. In fact ... I'm sure of it.
The problem with the "You're awesome" reply is that the only possible way to continue the conversation further is to agree with the person who just labelled you awesome, and that's a little bit too conceited even for me.

Praise kills conversations, while adding almost nothing.
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Old February 14 2014, 02:46 AM   #42
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Praise kills conversations, while adding almost nothing.
Truer words were never spoken, sir! Certainly not on these boards ...

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As for my take on the Angry Warrior speech...



Look...

[SNIP!]

She laughed at the story, she laughed at their situation, the only 2 humans on the planet for the next 50 years ...
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Telling a story that let him say how he felt and letting her laugh at their lives of complete denial.
You know, it's even possible to pause on the very moment where Chakotay's got this comical expression on his face, because his insides have been kicked out.
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I maintain that anyone who's seen Janeway sashay from the tomato garden into the hut KNOWS these two did more than hold hands on that planet.

Praise You, Jesus that Good Taste prevailed in this instance in that I didn't have to witness a Chakotay/Janeway love scene! Some things are best kept private. It may not be great entertainment not to show it, but it's sure as heck the only decent thing to do!
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Old February 14 2014, 03:39 AM   #43
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Chaktoay wants a tough lover, he wants to be the soft responder in the relationship. That's not weakness, it's preference.

I am defending Chakotay? Gosh? No I'm defending preferences
When I make fun of Chakotay but say I'm a J/C fan people are surprised. I am a J/C fan but I do think he wants a dominatrix for a mate. He wants a strong woman to please and love love love and serve.
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Old February 14 2014, 04:17 AM   #44
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(Quite some time ago) Chris Rock said that there will never be a Black Vice President, because some one is going to shoot president Whitey 5 minutes into his first hundred days. Then he used the N word a lot to explain how the shooter is going to be treated like such Royalty in prison after he's caught that he's not even going to try to run.

Why exactly where there no attempts on Janeway's life by the Terrorist scum she was oppressing?

At least one of the Maquis might have thought that things would have been better with his "man" in the comfy chair?
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There would be no laughs dating that woman.
I'm sure kinky things can be done with nanoprobes.
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