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Old June 26 2014, 03:34 PM   #421
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Will you look at that? http://trekcore.com/blog/2014/06/oku...-ray-fx-error/

I think it's a bit odd. Previous fixes were based on our assumptions where those beams should originate from.

In "Timescape" the emanating point is explicitly referred to be the "deflector array", but the visual information still does not match the vocal one.

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That is odd, but we can't comment either way on whether this is right or wrong because we don't know what the original artists intended. I assume, by "after some analysis", the Okudas asked the original VFX artists to see what they said? (EDIT: or read their original notes, perhaps?) Otherwise, aren't they just guessing too?

You could, arguably, state that many of the 'fixes' so far should NOT have been corrected. The energy beam from the captain's yacht in EaF, for instance, looks better coming from the middle rather than being off to the left of the screen, even if it's 'technically wrong' (the composition looks slightly imbalanced in the new version). The original shot of the phaser from the torpedo tube in Darkmok looks better than the re-used stock shot they replaced it with. The movie-style Enterprise refit schematic in The Naked Now is arguably the correct one to use because Gene Roddenberry considered it a retcon and "what the Enterprise was always supposed to look like" at the time the episode was made. All arguably valid artistic choices, in my opinion.

I think it's more likely that the shot in Timescape wasn't changed because it appears multiple times in the episode from different angles (sometimes moving, IIRC?) and it might have been too much work to bother with. Or they just missed it. Or maybe they're being completely honest and they do have information to suggest it was intentional. The windows on the neck are lit up, after all.

All that said, however, I think they should have changed it.
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Old June 26 2014, 04:18 PM   #422
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Yes, it seems like an odd artistic choice.
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Old June 26 2014, 04:55 PM   #423
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Doesn't make much sense as an artistic decision to me, the dialogue said the power transfer beam came from the deflector array. If it came from the tractor emitter on the ventral secondary hull it would be more plausible.

The stars in the background of the sun inside the Dyson Sphere was an unfortunate oversight as well. Minor niggles that don't take away anything from a fantastic looking season.
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Old June 26 2014, 04:55 PM   #424
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TrekCore has it right.They wrote mistake in quotes. It does look like a deliberate artistic choice because of the way it's framed throughout the episode. Coming from the deflector array wouldn't work because the beam and the disruptor fire from the Romulan ship would overlap and would look too cluttered.

I haven't yet seen the error in Relics, but it sounds like that's the one to complain about.
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Old June 26 2014, 05:13 PM   #425
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I haven't yet seen the error in Relics, but it sounds like that's the one to complain about.
There are the 2 or 3 shots were the stars were mistakenly added. Nothing to write home about.

http://oi59.tinypic.com/2rgjjuw.jpg
http://oi62.tinypic.com/1180wlk.jpg

The shot of the Enterprise breaking orbit of the star looks absolutely incredible.
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Old June 26 2014, 07:18 PM   #426
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That's quite an oversight, but not a big deal to me.

I'd like to know just how a Dyson Sphere would work practically. It would be permanently day over the entire surface.

This is a very TOS idea. You have a mysterious abandoned structure out in the middle of space. Its mere existence could have huge implications for the galaxy. But in the end, it's never seen or heard about again, and we never find out who built it, nor does anyone care to find out.
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Old June 26 2014, 07:39 PM   #427
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I'd like to know just how a Dyson Sphere would work practically. It would be permanently day over the entire surface.:
The Dyson sphere is a real-world idea. More info is available on Wikipedia

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This is a very TOS idea. You have a mysterious abandoned structure out in the middle of space. Its mere existence could have huge implications for the galaxy. But in the end, it's never seen or heard about again, and we never find out who built it, nor does anyone care to find out.
Agreed, but we got to see Scotty again, and that's really what the episode was about! Granted, it was a missed opportunity to explore a really cool concept.
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Old June 26 2014, 07:55 PM   #428
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Male fans will definitely enjoy Man of the People. Almost nothing is left to the imagination.
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Old June 26 2014, 09:13 PM   #429
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Doesn't make much sense as an artistic decision to me, the dialogue said the power transfer beam came from the deflector array. If it came from the tractor emitter on the ventral secondary hull it would be more plausible.

The stars in the background of the sun inside the Dyson Sphere was an unfortunate oversight as well. Minor niggles that don't take away anything from a fantastic looking season.
Funny, I watched Relics and had that same thought about the stars inside the sphere.

And as for Man of the People... oh, baby!
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Old June 27 2014, 06:31 AM   #430
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I really liked the Scotty deleted scene, especially the end, because it restores a joke that was there before. As he rejects Troi's help, he declares "I know what I need, and it is not here!" (cut to) "scotch, neat".

Scotty doesn't need therapy, he needs a drink!
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Old June 27 2014, 06:53 AM   #431
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I really liked the Scotty deleted scene, especially the end, because it restores a joke that was there before. As he rejects Troi's help, he declares "I know what I need, and it is not here!" (cut to) "scotch, neat".

Scotty doesn't need therapy, he needs a drink!
I loved that scene too. It actually felt like it could have been kept in the actual episode.
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Old June 27 2014, 04:58 PM   #432
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Superb. Superb. Can't wait for season 7, hopefully we'll see something on that soon.

AND THEN ON TO DS9!
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Old June 27 2014, 05:25 PM   #433
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UPS brought the new set this morning from Amazon.
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Old June 27 2014, 05:47 PM   #434
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Male fans will definitely enjoy Man of the People. Almost nothing is left to the imagination.
I was puzzled that the reviews didn't have the screenshots from that episode that I really want to see...
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Old June 27 2014, 05:59 PM   #435
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Doesn't make much sense as an artistic decision to me, the dialogue said the power transfer beam came from the deflector array. If it came from the tractor emitter on the ventral secondary hull it would be more plausible.
Wasn't that the precise location where the power transfer beam emanated in "The Next Phase"? (okay, it was blue, but it seemed to serve the exact same purpose)

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