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The Next Generation All Good Things come to an end...but not here.

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Old April 5 2014, 10:05 PM   #211
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I agree with everything stated here. If DS9-HD hasn't been given the go-ahead by now, it likely isn't going to happen.
Oh ye of little faith.
I don't mean publicly announced. I'm talking about behind-the-scenes. I'm sure that CBS has already made a decision one way or the other.
Possibly, but I don't think that's necessarily the case. They could very well wait until TNG season seven is released before they decide anything. They've got nothing to lose by waiting.
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Old April 5 2014, 11:03 PM   #212
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Possibly, but I don't think that's necessarily the case. They could very well wait until TNG season seven is released before they decide anything. They've got nothing to lose by waiting.
I think they do. They stand to loose the current team responsible for remastering TNG. These people have highly sought after skills and they will not be waiting around for CBS to rehire them on the mere hope that CBS might green light DS9. They will be sought after to take jobs elsewhere or seek new jobs themselves. If CBS doesn't make a commitment soon they will have to move on or face the risk of being out of a job. Would you not want to apply for a new job if you were uncertain if your current one would still exist in a few months time? Loosing the experience that was gained while remastering TNG does not seem like a prudent thing to do if they want to make DS9 remastered a success.
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Old April 5 2014, 11:56 PM   #213
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Given the fact that CBS Digital is a union shop (because they are owned by a studio) which is rare in the VFX industry, the incentive for the employees would be to stay in their current jobs for security (as more and more work is being outsourced overseas for tax credits and domestic VFX houses are dropping like flies)... and keep working on Star Trek for the rest of the decade.

For CBS it makes sense too. They use a VFX house they own to do the work -- that saves them tons of money. They certainly didn't like or prefer having to outsource some of the work... they did it on Seasons 2 & 4 just to speed things along (they also went with low-bidders for the work, I'm sure).
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Old April 6 2014, 12:23 AM   #214
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[...] the incentive for the employees would be to stay in their current jobs for security [...] and keep working on Star Trek for the rest of the decade.
I'm sure the incentive for the employees would be huge but for that there must be a job on offer to continue in. If that opportunity isn't there, for example because DS9 isn't greenlit for remastering, wouldn't they have to try and find alternative employment?

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For CBS it makes sense too. They use a VFX house they own to do the work -- that saves them tons of money. They certainly didn't like or prefer having to outsource some of the work... they did it on Seasons 2 & 4 just to speed things along (they also went with low-bidders for the work, I'm sure).
That's exactly my point CBS would largely benefit to keep these guys around if they did want to remaster DS9 but for that they need to offer some kind of job security or they might be hired elsewhere. So the earlier CBS commits the better it would seem for everyone.
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Old April 6 2014, 12:48 AM   #215
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Were these the same people who worked on TOS-HD? If so, then what did they do in the interim? Did they leave and come back, or were they employed the entire time? TOS and TNG are high profile, so perhaps they worked on lower profile titles during the years gap.
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Old April 6 2014, 01:42 AM   #216
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[...] the incentive for the employees would be to stay in their current jobs for security [...] and keep working on Star Trek for the rest of the decade.
I'm sure the incentive for the employees would be huge but for that there must be a job on offer to continue in. If that opportunity isn't there, for example because DS9 isn't greenlit for remastering, wouldn't they have to try and find alternative employment?
Well, CBS Digital has been around since the 90s, they weren't formed just to exclusively do work on remastered Star Trek. If there were no greenlight for DS9 or Voyager, I'd imagine they'd probably just work on some other in production CBS television project.

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Were these the same people who worked on TOS-HD?
Yeah, some worked on both. You can view a list of the staff for both projects here.
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Old April 6 2014, 03:25 PM   #217
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Maybe CBS is going to do a HD remastering of DS9 and VOY, but not with new special effects, but just have them upscaled. There is already an example for that in the industry: The X-Files (done by HTV Illuminate, who did Season 2 of TNG).

So the project for a HD version of these Trek shows would be entirely done outside CBS on a much smaller scale (thus much quicker and much cheaper - but much like with the X-Files, you get an 70-80% HD version of the shows).

It would not surprise me, if only such a compromise would enable CBS to provide all Trek Shows in HD and still have a profit from that.
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Old April 6 2014, 05:38 PM   #218
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Maybe CBS is going to do a HD remastering of DS9 and VOY, but not with new special effects, but just have them upscaled. There is already an example for that in the industry: The X-Files (done by HTV Illuminate, who did Season 2 of TNG).

So the project for a HD version of these Trek shows would be entirely done outside CBS on a much smaller scale (thus much quicker and much cheaper - but much like with the X-Files, you get an 70-80% HD version of the shows).

It would not surprise me, if only such a compromise would enable CBS to provide all Trek Shows in HD and still have a profit from that.
The studio reportedly tried an upscaled version of TNG (and they actually did release an upscaled version of DS9's "Trials and Tribble-ations) and weren't at all happy with the result. I don't see them doing it half-assed after setting the precedent with TNG.
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Old April 6 2014, 08:36 PM   #219
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Maybe CBS is going to do a HD remastering of DS9 and VOY, but not with new special effects, but just have them upscaled. There is already an example for that in the industry: The X-Files (done by HTV Illuminate, who did Season 2 of TNG).
Actually, a surprising amount of the original VFX is being redone for The X-Files (granted because they are few and far between and very rudimentary and simple compared to Star Trek). It's true that on occasion they resort to upscaling the original SD VFX, but more often than not it seems they are re-doing stuff, like the parasite-in-jar in "Ice," the laser beam field and alien cloak effect in "Fallen Angel," the morph in "Gender Bender," or the green bugs in "Darkness Falls."
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Old April 9 2014, 05:27 PM   #220
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StarTrek.com posted their article announcing TNG S6 and CoC on bluray.

Maybe I'm reading too much into this, but it sounds like they located all the film elements, so nothing had to be upconverted this season!

All 26 episodes of Star Trek: The Next Generation - Season Six have been given the HD treatment. Rendered in 1080p high-definition Blu-ray and digitally remastered 7.1 audio, every scene in each episode benefits from new visual depth and enhanced special effects.
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Old April 10 2014, 12:13 AM   #221
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Hober Mallow wrote: View Post
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Maybe CBS is going to do a HD remastering of DS9 and VOY, but not with new special effects, but just have them upscaled. There is already an example for that in the industry: The X-Files (done by HTV Illuminate, who did Season 2 of TNG).

So the project for a HD version of these Trek shows would be entirely done outside CBS on a much smaller scale (thus much quicker and much cheaper - but much like with the X-Files, you get an 70-80% HD version of the shows).

It would not surprise me, if only such a compromise would enable CBS to provide all Trek Shows in HD and still have a profit from that.
The studio reportedly tried an upscaled version of TNG (and they actually did release an upscaled version of DS9's "Trials and Tribble-ations) and weren't at all happy with the result. I don't see them doing it half-assed after setting the precedent with TNG.
It would be extremely disappointing if they went that route. I'm sure it would be cheaper, but I'd hope they're smart enough to realize that bringing the shows to the HD realm as done with TNG is the best thing for the long run. They set the standard for remastering TV shows, they're shouldn't have move backwards from that.
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Old April 12 2014, 03:27 AM   #222
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TrekCore is reporting (Amazon is updated too) that season 6 and CoC have been pushed back three weeks to June 24.

Strange since that's never happened before. Hopefully that's for a good reason, like they found film for an episode with upscaled footage or a last minute commentary was added.
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TrekCore is reporting (Amazon is updated too) that season 6 and CoC have been pushed back three weeks to June 24.

Strange since that's never happened before. Hopefully that's for a good reason, like they found film for an episode with upscaled footage or a last minute commentary was added.
I wish there were more behind the scene features added. The only one we have is the 3 part documentary and audio commentaries. Would have been nice to focus on individual episodes or themes or something. This is were season two succeeded, giving us the reading rainbow segment. Wish we had more stuff like that.
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Old April 14 2014, 02:03 PM   #224
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Suggested retail price only 130 USD, what a bargain, I'll take 10.
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Old April 14 2014, 04:11 PM   #225
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Suggested retail price only 130 USD, what a bargain, I'll take 10.
MSRP and street price are two very different things... I've never paid more than $60 for a bluray set.
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