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Old March 8 2014, 03:44 AM   #151
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Speaking of Riker, the scene from that alien abduction episode in which he floats into a portal made me LOL back in the day and it still does in HD.
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Old March 9 2014, 09:06 PM   #152
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Cross-posting from the DS9 on Blu-ray thread: Here, I did one those screenshot comparison thingies. Look at all the glorious detail!

Something weird I noticed while doing this, though: (1.) I had to strech the original image quite a bit horizontally to make it fit the remastered one, (2.) they reversed the shot for the trailer and (3.) there's apparently an error, because in the original the nacelle cap on the right is behind the docking pylon. In the remastered shot it's placed in front of it! Or am I seeing it wrong?
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Old March 9 2014, 09:11 PM   #153
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I think the nacelle is in the foreground in both shots, it's just that the first shot is really blurry. IIRC, the docking pylon or airlock or whatever they call it connects to the side of the saucer, so it makes sense that the nacelle would be in the foreground.
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Old March 9 2014, 09:24 PM   #154
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I think the nacelle is in the foreground in both shots, it's just that the first shot is really blurry. IIRC, the docking pylon or airlock or whatever they call it connects to the side of the saucer, so it makes sense that the nacelle would be in the foreground.
Actually, no. Someone correct me if I'm wrong, but it's not connected to the saucer, but to the secondary hull. Like in this shot from "11001001". So actually, it would make more sense for the nacelle to be behind the pylon.
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Old March 9 2014, 10:20 PM   #155
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Yup, here's a much better angle to get the idea of where the Enterprise was docked.


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Old March 9 2014, 11:50 PM   #156
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Cross-posting from the DS9 on Blu-ray thread: Here, I did one those screenshot comparison thingies. Look at all the glorious detail!

Something weird I noticed while doing this, though: (1.) I had to strech the original image quite a bit horizontally to make it fit the remastered one
Where did you get the SD image? It looks a bit worse than the DVD, almost like it came from YouTube. That could be why you had to distort it so much to line it up. It could either be NTSC or PAL originally as well which have different pixel aspect ratios (0.9 for NTSC and 1.09 for PAL). The new remaster should be considered geometrically correct, of course, since it is based off of a fresh scan of the original 35mm negatives and there's no telecine lens distortion anymore.
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Old March 10 2014, 12:56 AM   #157
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Yup, here's a much better angle to get the idea of where the Enterprise was docked.
That image doesn't appear to match the other shot at all. In that one, the nacelle looks to be above the pylon. In fact, it doesn't look like the pylon could possibly extend all the way to either the secondary hull or the saucer.

I'm guessing we weren't supposed to scrutinize it this carefully.
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Old March 10 2014, 01:25 AM   #158
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That's odd, the frame is 1500x1065, which is 1.41:1. Much too wide.
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Old March 10 2014, 03:08 AM   #159
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For what it's worth, in the original shots from Emissary the port nacelle is in front of the pylon.
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Old March 10 2014, 11:28 AM   #160
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Season 6 is now available for pre-order from Amazon: http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00...?ie=UTF8&psc=1.
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Old March 10 2014, 06:27 PM   #161
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Pre-ordered both Season Six and Chain of Command!
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Old March 11 2014, 09:34 AM   #162
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Where did you get the SD image? It looks a bit worse than the DVD, almost like it came from YouTube. That could be why you had to distort it so much to line it up. It could either be NTSC or PAL originally as well which have different pixel aspect ratios (0.9 for NTSC and 1.09 for PAL). The new remaster should be considered geometrically correct, of course, since it is based off of a fresh scan of the original 35mm negatives and there's no telecine lens distortion anymore.
Yup, you are right. I took both screencaps on YouTube. I tried making one from the DVD, but it came out even worse, with really noticeable scan lines all over the image. I guess there's something off about my screencapping technique. So I opted for the YouTube clip.

As for the distortion: I didn't argue that the old image was more correct or something like that. I was merely pointing out that I had to stretch it to match the remastered shot. jimbotron, the weird aspect ratio is a result of me cropping the image on all sides to hide overlapping effects where one screenshot ended but the other went on.

So, turns out I'm pretty crappy at doing these comparison thingies. But still, I think my comparison rather nicely illustrates how much better the remasterd image quality is, even though my sources are questionable. Does anyone have a better shot of the original DVD image?
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Old March 11 2014, 11:15 PM   #163
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Does anyone have a better shot of the original DVD image?
Here you go. I chose an earlier frame with a little more of the Enterprise in it, without sacrificing too much more of the station:

http://screenshotcomparison.com/comparison/66228
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Old March 11 2014, 11:26 PM   #164
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Does anyone have a better shot of the original DVD image?
Here you go. I chose an earlier frame with a little more of the Enterprise in it, without sacrificing too much more of the station:

http://screenshotcomparison.com/comparison/66228
That does look better than my one, thank you! Boy, it never gets old to see how much detail can be brought out of the original footage.
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Old March 12 2014, 05:35 PM   #165
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Cross-posting from the DS9 on Blu-ray thread: Here, I did one those screenshot comparison thingies. Look at all the glorious detail!

Something weird I noticed while doing this, though: (1.) I had to strech the original image quite a bit horizontally to make it fit the remastered one, (2.) they reversed the shot for the trailer and (3.) there's apparently an error, because in the original the nacelle cap on the right is behind the docking pylon. In the remastered shot it's placed in front of it! Or am I seeing it wrong?

I just thought I'd quote my response from the DS9 thread regarding your third point.

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I think you just have two slightly different shots that you are comparing. As the shot starts the nacelle cap appears to be hidden by the pylon but as the shot moves up and the perspective changes the nacelle cap is revealed. At least that's what I'm seeing from the video you linked.
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