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Old March 28 2014, 08:47 PM   #91
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Re: Members of the Federation.

The Pakleds probably have NO name for their government or state.
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Old March 28 2014, 09:37 PM   #92
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The Pakleds probably have NO name for their government or state.
Yes, I imagine Pakleds are probably either anarchist by default or clannish, with little coordinating authority outside or above the family group.
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Old March 28 2014, 10:04 PM   #93
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I looked through Places of Exile to see if I established a name for the Voth state, but all I used was "the Voth." Which makes me wonder if maybe that is the name for their state -- if "the Voth" is not just the name of their species but the name of the larger state/society they belong to. Which might actually make sense given what an authoritarian state it is -- the state is what defines them and they are simply components of it.
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Old March 29 2014, 04:44 AM   #94
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The 24th century Xindi need a state name.
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Old March 30 2014, 10:42 PM   #95
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The 24th century Xindi need a state name.
They need a lot more than that. They need a novel, or a novel series!

I believe I missed a member: Arcturus. Not Arcturus the seedy trading planet on the triborder, but the planet at the real Arcturus where Arcturians come from. Arcturians have shown up affiliated with the UFP on several occasions.
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Old March 30 2014, 11:10 PM   #96
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^Yeah, that old Vonda McIntyre placement of Arcturus on the border of UFP, Klingon, and Romulan territories is pretty much irreconcilable with the Star Charts version of interstellar cartography. The real Arcturus is on the opposite side of the Federation from those powers.

Of course, the books have already posited a "Beta Rigel" with a soundalike name. Maybe there's a "Beta Arcturus."
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Old March 31 2014, 12:26 AM   #97
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This is kind of Jonny-come-lately, but I just want to chime in as a voice of dissent on the name of the Risian state. William Leisiner's TNG: Losing the Peace made it clear that there's a deep spiritual/religious basis to the Risians' openness with regards to sexuality and pleasure; as such, it makes sense to me that their culture might chose as their English translation of their state name a term that, to Humans, carries connotations of irresponsibility, decadence, etc., which simply don't exist in Risian culture. So on that level, the name "Risian Hedony" makes perfect sense to me. They're declaring that theirs is a society dedicated to maximizing happiness, and it reflects an absence of puritanical values.

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I looked through Places of Exile to see if I established a name for the Voth state, but all I used was "the Voth." Which makes me wonder if maybe that is the name for their state -- if "the Voth" is not just the name of their species but the name of the larger state/society they belong to. Which might actually make sense given what an authoritarian state it is -- the state is what defines them and they are simply components of it.
Interesting. It reminds me of the ongoing debate Ta-Nehisi Coates is moderating on his blog at The Atlantic over the meaning of the term "totalitarian." He quotes Anne Applebaum's Iron Curtain: The Crushing of Eastern Europe, which is in turn quoting Mussolini: "Everything within the state, nothing outside the state, nothing against the state."

They are all the Voth, and that's all there is to it. Everything within the Voth, nothing outside the Voth, nothing against the Voth.
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Old March 31 2014, 01:10 AM   #98
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A few more members, from Spirit Walk (though both of these may have left with Kerovi, since they were part of the secessionist movement):

Ysa: Natives have tusks.
Parnasi: A native consists of three beings operating together. Influential in their sector (presumably far from the core worlds)

A four-armed planetary leader is also at the conference in question; his people want to leave, but he and his governmental advisors don't. I'm wondering if he's Terrelian, since some Terrelians have four arms (almost as confusing as Ktarians, these Terrelians), and seem to be potential UFP members.

The same books also feature a vaguely avian humanoid race who are said to be relatively recent members; name not given, so we could match them to one of our existing named-but-nothing-more worlds on the current list, if we want to be conservative.

In A Time to Love:

Slyggians, mentioned alongside Humans, Andorians and Vulcans as Federation members. Apparently they're an alien race from the DC 'verse that look a bit like Triexians/Edoans. Since this seems to be a joke and this is the only mention of them, I'm not including them and am stubbornly pretending Picard said "Triexian" or something. Such is my whim; I have spoken.
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My interpretation of Daniels in DTI: Watching the Clock is that he's prone to lying about the future so that he doesn't give away too much. (I mean, students building time machines in grade school? Come on!)
Well... you could say that elementary students now build and launch rockets, but you would probably mean a small kit from Estes, not that they were trying to send people into orbit. Maybe Daniels meant some equivalent, like a simple kit that students assemble that demonstrates a basic anti-time setup and maybe causes a small plant to ungrow or demonstrates an electrical current flowing backward or something similar.
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About Risa: I'm sure there are reasons, in-universe, why their government might be named "Hedony". I just thought that, OUT of universe, it sounded a bit silly. No offense was intended.
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Old March 31 2014, 01:54 AM   #101
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Well... you could say that elementary students now build and launch rockets, but you would probably mean a small kit from Estes, not that they were trying to send people into orbit. Maybe Daniels meant some equivalent, like a simple kit that students assemble that demonstrates a basic anti-time setup and maybe causes a small plant to ungrow or demonstrates an electrical current flowing backward or something similar.
It's more fun to assume that Daniels is just a big liar. I never trusted that guy.
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Old March 31 2014, 02:09 AM   #102
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About Risa: I'm sure there are reasons, in-universe, why their government might be named "Hedony". I just thought that, OUT of universe, it sounded a bit silly. No offense was intended.
Oh, none taken. I was hypothesizing a bit, not upset or anything.
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Old March 31 2014, 02:12 AM   #103
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I would probably not go to Risa anyway. I'm too "puritanical", I guess.

Cestus III, on the other hand...I might give it a shot. Heck, I'd probably live there. You can guess why.
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If United Earth and the Confederated Martian Colonies are two separate member states, then who gets legal jurisdiction over the rest of the Sol System? Not to mention that Earth and Mars orbit Sol at different speeds, putting them at different distances from each other on any given day. With, say Vulcan or Trill, it seems to me that the entire system is exclusive territory of that member state.
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If United Earth and the Confederated Martian Colonies are two separate member states, then who gets legal jurisdiction over the rest of the Sol System? Not to mention that Earth and Mars orbit Sol at different speeds, putting them at different distances from each other on any given day.
That shouldn't matter, because there's no reason to draw borders in empty space. Claimed territories would have to be specific worlds or asteroids and the orbital space around each one. (I like to think that a planet or moon's Hill sphere, the volume within which its gravity outcompetes any other body's, would be the equivalent of its territorial waters.)
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