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Old March 25 2014, 10:59 PM   #61
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The update, it come!

Founding states (2161):
  • 1. United Earth (Earth, Luna, Titan, plus many other colonies): Spawnworld of the Human Horde.
  • 2. Vulcan Confederacy of Surak (Vulcan, T’Khut, Cor Caroli IX, Sigma Draconis V, Vulcanis Lunar Colony, Trilan, Nisus). Vulcans. Copper-blooded humanoids of the "Vulcanoid" sub-type.
  • 3. Andorian Empire (Andoria [Fesoan, Twin Moons of Andor], Alrond, Cimera III, Syrinx III, Threllvia IV, Weytahn): Andorians (racial variants include Talish, Aenar). Blue-skinned people with pale hair and antennae. The Andorian Empire withdrew from the UFP in 2382, but returned in 2385.
  • 4. United Planets of Tellar (Tellar Prime, Brantik, Hakon, Maeglin; strong cultural and economic ties to non-member colony Kharzh’ulla): Tellarites. Robust porcine humanoids.
  • 5. Alpha Centauri Concordium (Alpha Centauri III, IV and VII): Independent Human world.
2162
  • 6: Confederated Martian Colonies (Mars): Independent Human colony, large Tellarite colonial population, others.
2164:
  • 7: Vega IX: Independent Human world.
  • 8: United Worlds and Colonies of Rigel (Rigel II, III, IV, V, VI, VIII, IX, X, XII). Jelna, Zami, Chelon (natives), Xarantine, Coridanite, Human, Orion, others (colonists), collectively: Rigellian.
Prior to the 2260s, these states have joined; the Federation as of TOS and Vanguard, basically:
  • 9: Alpha Proxima II: Human colony that became powerful or populous enough to get Council representation.
  • 10: Plutocracy of Ardana: Ardanans. Apparently a strategic member, not really playing by the rules. After the controversy concerning its class divisions in the 2260s, it pulled out of the Federation, but eventually came back.
  • 11: Argelius: Argelians, humanoid pacifists, sometimes empathic. Joined in the 2240s-50s. Courted for strategic position and popularity as a shore-leave planet.
  • 12: Arken: Arkenites. A former Andorian subject world; Arkenites are stoic, bald, pointy-eared people who were being courted as members as early as 2162.
  • 13: Aurelia: Aurelians, bird people.
  • 14: Axanar: Axanar, long-lived reptilian methane-breathers.
  • 15: Cait (Cait, Kirisha IV): Caitians; cat people. They apparently leave and come back on a whim (presumably people call up the Caitian Councillor and ask him/her “will you be attending today, or have you left again? You’ve left? Okay, see you the session after next”).
  • 16: Cygnet (Cygnet XII, Cygnet IV, Cygnet VIII colony is joint authority with Earth): Matriarchal, emotionally demonstrative humanoids with skin that can be white, beige, purple, mauve, etc.
  • 17: Deltan Union (Dhei AKA Delta IV, Brannik IV): "Deltans" (Dhei'tan); Sexually mature people who have been inward-looking for the last few centuries, turning their back on their era of colonization; still feud with non-member Carrea over those old holdings.
  • 18: Denobula (Denobula, Teerza Prime, Fellebia, Matalas): Optimistic, patient humanoids with ridged faces. Courted as early as 2162, resisted at first due to differing positions on genetic augmentation.
  • 19: Icor IX: Icorians, purple humanoids.
  • 20: Ithen: Ithenites, little bronze humanoids in fezzes. Active in the local trading/shipping community since the 2150s.
  • 21: Izar: A primarily Human colony prosperous or populous enough to claim Council membership.
  • 22: Makus III: Makusians, tall brown humanoids with floppy ears.
  • 23: Ramatis III: Ruled by a deaf royal family. Federation colonies existed in the Ramatis system as early as 2260s.
  • 24: Regulus (Regulus II, III, V, moons of Regulus VI): Mixed-race colonies.
  • 25: Risan Hedony: Ris(i)ans. Joined in the late 22nd Century.
  • 26: Sauria: "Saurians", goggle-eyed reptilian humanoids. They have many, many trade partners.
  • 27: Scoridia: These people remain a mystery, but are said to be members.
  • 28: Tiburon: Flap-eared humanoids known for their technological and medical breakthroughs, despite or because of a schizophrenic relationship with science.
  • 29: Trill (Trillius Prime, Sappora VIII, Shal Tul). Secretive but relatively influential member.
2260s: Something tells me Kirk and Co Have A Lot To Do With This Part
  • 30: People’s Republic of Coridan (Coridan Prime, others). Coridanites. Membership: 2267.
  • 31: Janus VI: Horta, plus Human mining colonists.
These members have joined by the period of 2270s-2290s
  • 32: Aaamazzara: Aaamazzarites.
  • 33: Efros: Efrosians, tight-knit humanoids from an icy world.
  • 34: Kashet: Kasheeta, dinosaur people.
  • 35: Kazar: Kazarites, ecologically sensitive furred quasi-humanoids.
  • 36: Pacifica: "Selkie", aquatic people. Pacifica (located deep in the Taurus Reach) was supporting offworld Federation-aligned colonies in the 2260s.
  • 37: Zaranai: (AKA Zaran II): Fluorine-breathers (only not really).
2294
  • 38: Huan: Huanni, emotional, ethereal purple people.
2310
  • 39: Vestios (Vestios Prime, Vestios II, Vestios V): Vestians.
Early 24th Century: By the time Picard is on Stargazer, these members have joined:
  • 40: Atrea IV: Atreans, humanoids with large sculpted ears.
  • 41: Betazed (Betazed, Darona): Betazoids, mind-reading Humanoids. Began working in and with the Federation around the 2290s.
  • 42: Bolarus (Bolarus IX, Myrmidon): Bolians, blue, bald people. They were apparently first courting membership in the 2260s, begin appearing in Starfleet in the 2270s-80s. By the 24th century, a major economic power within the Federation.
  • 43: Dedderei: Dedderac. Black and white striped slight-framed Humanoids.
  • 44: Gnala: Gnalish. Lizard-like, like bipedal iguanas.
  • 45: Grazer: Grazerites. Herbivorous, apparently horned Humanoids. They graze, presumably.
  • 46: Pandril: Pandrilites, big blue bulky Humanoids.
  • 47: Peliar Zel: Its two moons are not members, and cause headaches for the planet. Peliar, beige-yellow thick-skinned beings with nice hats.
  • 48: Pentam V. Pentamian. First contact was in the 2260s.
  • 49: Pythagos Clans: Inhabitants unknown.
  • 50: Tandar (Tandar Prime, Pyrellia, Kemsar): Tandarans, humanoids with a lot of interest in time travel.
  • 51: Threllvia: Unknown inhabitants.
2336
  • 52: Alonis: Alonis. Telekinetic aquatic people.
2360
  • 53: Pahkwa: Pahkwa-thanh, dinosaur people.
2360s
  • 54: Antede III: Antedeans, fish people.
  • 55: Benzar: Benzites, meticulous, disciplined amphibian people.
2370
  • 56: Cairn: Telepathic Humanoids that speak in images.
2370s
  • 57: Delta Sigma IV: Bader and Dorset colonists.
  • 58: Lendrin: Race where females and young bond very closely.
2375
  • 59: Evora: Evorans. Emergency war-time protectorate, fast-tracked.
  • 60: Ona (AKA Ontail): Ontailians, octopus-sloth people. An emergency war-time member that doesn't really get the whole "united federation" thing.
2376
  • 61: Third Republic of Bajor (Bajor, Andros, Dreon VIII, Free Haven, Golana, Prophet’s Landing, Valo, Velestral): Bajorans.
2380
  • 62: Koa: Koas, spider people.
Other Members as of 2385 (membership dates unknown, scattered all over the place but mostly 24th Century)
  • 63: Andros III: Androsians. Hair-dying cyclopean Humanoids.
  • 64: Antares VIII: Its native name is very long and complicated. One of the most distant member worlds.
  • 65: Antos IV: Antosians.
  • 66: Arbazan: Arbazan. Sexually conservative Humanoids.
  • 67: Arvada III: Former colony, now full member.
  • 68: Asarion: Asarion. Gender-shifting refugee settlers.
  • 69: Beta Antares (Antaran homeworld?): Ships are built here. Membership prior to 2311.
  • 70: Bilana III: Bilanan. Grey-skinned craggy-faced humanoids.
  • 71: Bre’el IV: Bre'ella. Overly stiff and formal humanoids.
  • 72: Bynaus: Bynars, a diminutive cyborg race.
  • 73: Caldos II: Former colony, now a member world.
  • 74: Candelar IV: Candelarian. Backwater charity case from Deny Thy Father. Membership: 2350s.
  • 75: Carnegie: Multi-species world.
  • 76: Cestus III: Colony with Council representation.
  • 77: Damiano: Damiani, three-sexed horned people. Membership: Protracted admissions process, 2340s-2371.
  • 78: Delb II: Delbians, humanoid.
  • 79: Deneva (Denevan Diaspora, Ingraham B): Majority Human colony, promotion to Council unknown.
  • 80: Draylax: Draylaxians. The Romulans well and truly trashed it; presumably it rebuilt.
  • 81: Elas
  • 82: Troyius (assuming they have separate representation).
  • 83: Gallima: Gallimites, people with transparent skulls. Membership is unknown (contacted as early as the 2250s).
  • 84: Gemworld: Artificial crystal planet with six races living on it; Lipul, Elaysian, Alpusta, Frill, Yiltern, Gendlii.
  • 85: Hekaras II: They imposed a speed limit on us.
  • 86: Hermat Directorate (Hermat, Amphibalus III): Hermats, which believe it or not are hermaphrodites.
  • 87: Inferna Prime: Dark-skinned, orange-eyed people.
  • 88: Iotia: Iotians, who are now all Chicago gangsters.
  • 89: Ktar: Ktarians. With the Federation, but Maquis sympathisers. Seem in general a politically unstable people.
  • 90: Lorillia: Lorillians, Humanoid people who breathe different atmospheres as children (somehow).
  • 91: Magna Roma: Romans... IN SPACE! Even more so than the Romulans.
  • 92: Medusan Homeworld: Medusans. Non-corporeal, the only known non-corporeal member race.
  • 93: Meldrar I: Apparently non-humanoid people.
  • 94: Napea: Napean. Swollen-headed empathic people.
  • 95: Nasat: Nasat, cowardly pillbug people.
  • 96: Ochat: Ochati. Grey-skinned.
  • 97: Oriki: Oriki. Meerkat people. Membership: 2340s or 50s.
  • 98: Rhaandarel: Rhaandarites, a long-lived rule-abiding people. Membership: unknown, likely late 23rd Century.
  • 99: Selene: Seleneans. Quasi-humanoid at best, but shift to a humanoid form around other Federation members.
  • 100: Sulamid: Sulamid, tentacled things.
  • 101: Tessen III: "Tessenite", unknown if this is a species or not.
  • 102: Triex: Triexian. Three-legged, long-necked pink people.
  • 103: Tyrellia: Tyrellian. No atmosphere, which doesn’t bother them, apparently.
  • 104: Valzhan: Valzhan. Amber noseless people.
  • 105: Vobilin: Vobilite, red, tusked people. Membership: early on.
  • 106: Xindi Diaspora (New Xindus, Azati Prime, etc.): Membership: at least the 2350s.
  • 107: Zakdorn (Zakdorn, Qualor II): Zakdorn; fussy, beaurocratic people.
  • 108: Zalda (Zalda, Ricktor Prime): Zaldans, brutally truthful people. Membership: Originally said to be 2280, later retconned to circa 2330s-40s. Maybe Piniero meant to say “half century” when she said “century”?
  • 109: Zanri: Inhabitants unknown. Membership: at least 2377.
That's 109 out of 155, not including former members Kerovi (left, 2378) and Selelvia (kicked out, 2376. shoulda listened to Gimli on that one, guys).




Colonies that may well have Council representation, like Vega, Deneva, Izar, Cestus III and Alpha Proxima II have:
  • Aldebaran III,
  • Archer (Archer IV, IX),
  • Berengaria VII
  • New Paris
  • Tau Ceti (Tau Ceti Prime, III, IV - unknown if Kaferia is ever a member, or just an ally),
  • Terra Nova
  • Sirius IX
Very likely members: Algol, Ana'Siuol, Arcadia, Canopus Planet, Centrelis, Guidon Pontificate, Kreetassa, Pangea, S’ti’ach’aas, Terrelia, Tygar, Tyrus.

Additional possible members include: Antica, Aulac, Betelgeusian Argosies, Binderia, Casperia Prime, Choblav, Cyrel, Deneb Kaitos, Halii, Kandilkar, Lembatta Prime, Matern, Mestiko, New Halana, Selay,, Syr, Tesnia, Thelusia, Valakis, Zarin
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Old March 26 2014, 01:56 AM   #62
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The Klingon Empire will probably be a member state by the mid 26th century.
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Old March 26 2014, 05:16 AM   #63
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Awesome updated list, Deranged Nasat!

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The Klingon Empire will probably be a member state by the mid 26th century.
Maybe? To be honest, I think the prospect of the Empire joining the Federation suggests several intriguing questions about Federation Membership.

To start with, I think we can probably take it for granted that for the Empire to join, it would need to transform into some form of liberal democracy, and that it would need to liberate its conquered worlds and peoples -- either by accepting them as equals within its new, liberal democratic incarnation, or by granting them their independence.

But even granting all that -- the prospect of the Empire joining suggests questions about size. Would the Empire be required to sunder itself, with different, newly-separated sub-polities joining as unique Federation Members in their own right? Or would the whole Empire join at one Member State?

If the latter, that may a bit troubling. It would essentially mean that the entire Klingon state would have the same amount of representation on the Federation Council as a single-planet state -- say, Peliar Zel or Bre'el. This would make a Peliar Zel citizen's vote worth a great deal more than a Klingon's -- would that really be right or fair? (The classic big state vs. small state debate about the U.S. Congress on an interstellar scale!) And on top of that -- such a large Klingon polity within the Federation could end up dominating it in social and economic terms, if not in strict political terms.

(One might compare it to, say, the United Kingdom joining the United States. Would the entire U.K. join as a single polity, or would England, Wales, Scotland, and Northern Ireland all join as separate states? Would the U.S. join Canada all as a single province, or would each U.S. state join as a separate Canadian province?)

I do find myself wondering not only if the Federation has population size minimums for its prospective Member States -- but also size maximums.z

ETA:

My speculation, assuming that the Klingons do join by the 26th century as suggested in "Azati Prime" (ENT):

Maybe in the process of converting to liberal democracy, the Empire voluntarily split itself off into several different Klingon states, while also granting independence to their jeghpu'wI. The Klingon Empire is now a shrunken polity, encompassing Qo'noS and several other systems, but is not nearly so large as it once was. The reduced Klingon Empire has joined the Federation, along with some former jeghpu'wI polities and other Klingon states, but some Klingon states and former jeghpu'wI remain independent.
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Old March 26 2014, 08:13 AM   #64
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ETA: Yikes. Is this entering speculation/story idea territory? Well, spoiler-coding my post, just to be safe, even though I don't think it has anything the authors would need to worry about...


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In STO, the Klingons granted the Gorn King a non-voting seat on the High Council following the conquest of the Gorn Hegemony in the early 25th century.

By 2409, the Klingon Empire has gone multispecies, as one can see on the streets of Qo'noS and in the Klingon Defense Force. Members of alien species can rise to become generals in the KDF. The Klingon ambassador to the Federation is a Gorn.

Imperial member species include the Gorn, Nausicaans, Orions, Ferasans (offshoots of the Caitian Diaspora) and Letheans. The Orions were admitted by negotation. Apparently, the Ferasans weren't conquered either.

The Letheans have applied for membership in the Klingon Empire but the Klingons aren't interested yet (STO: The Needs of the Many). Both the Federation and the Klingons are coveting for alliance (and eventual absorption) of the Deferi and the Romulan Republic.

Concerning the Romulans, Proconsul D'tan seeks to build New Romulus into the new home of the socially equal Romulan and Reman people(s), and reunification with the Vulcans on an equal standing (i.e. when the Romulan Republic has sufficiently prospered and crushed the Tal Shiar-run RSE).

This is just one timeline of the ST multiverse. It may happen in the novelverse, or not, but it occured in the STO timeline already. Just sayin'.
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I believe that the comment from Daniels is ambiguous: "Vulcans, Andorians, Ithenites, Klingons". While that does seem to imply that the Klingon state has joined in the manner of Vulcan, Andor and Ithen, it could just mean that there's a sizable Klingon population within the UFP by the 26th Century. Maybe some Klingon planets are permitted to secede from the Empire and join the Federation? Perhaps there's even an official joint citizenship thing going on?

As an aside, I wonder why Ithenites are mentioned. Does this imply that Ithen will become a very prominent or powerful member for some reason? Or was Daniels referencing them because Archer would know them as a trading species in local space, and their membership would be a useful illustration of what the UFP will be/will accomplish?

Of course, now that slipstream drive is a reasonably reliable technology, I expect the 26th century UFP to be highly decentralized, with pockets of space all over the galaxy...
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My interpretation of Daniels in DTI: Watching the Clock is that he's prone to lying about the future so that he doesn't give away too much. (I mean, students building time machines in grade school? Come on!)
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Well in "Azati Prime" a starship utilizing the Vor'cha class model is seen in the Battle of Procyon V. I interpret that as the Vor'cha class's design lineage continuing into post-Klingon admission Starfleet vessels. But Sci makes a good point. I think that prior to admission the Empire would have to grant independence to its jegh'pu'wI.
I might be wrong about this, but in MU: Rise Like Lions,

On a different note, in DS9: Fearful Symmetry,
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Quick question, Deranged Nasat. Why do you refer to the Vulcan state as the "Vulcan Confederacy of Surak" when the ENT:ROTF novel explicitly establishes its formal name as "the Confederacy of Vulcan?"
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Quick question, Deranged Nasat. Why do you refer to the Vulcan state as the "Vulcan Confederacy of Surak" when the ENT:ROTF novel explicitly establishes its formal name as "the Confederacy of Vulcan?"
I think I got it from the Star Charts planetary profiles, which of course I disregard where they conflict with the novels, so I'm unsure why I let that through. I suppose I'd just decided on my own whim that "Confederacy of Vulcan" was, I don't know, the Canada to "Vulcan Confederacy of Surak's" Dominion of Canada, or something? Quite possibly unjustified of me; I don't think VCoS has been used in any novel.

The names "Deltan Union", "People's Republic of Coridan" and "Risan Hedony" come from the Star Charts, too; I use them until a novel contradicts them. Though I discarded some other names, like "Fifth House of Betazed", since the novels have Houses meaning something different, and "Trill Symbiosis", because while there's something appealing about the Trill being sly as well as secretive, it still seemed silly to me.
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I'm amazed that anyone would've thought "Fifth House of Betazed" was the name of the government. It's obviously meant to be a familial lineage of the nobility or gentry. I mean, really, if the Fifth House referred to all of Betazed, why would it be special enough for Lwaxana to take such pride in being its daughter?

And "Trill Symbiosis"? That's bizarrely inappropriate for a whole different set of reasons.
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I'm amazed that anyone would've thought "Fifth House of Betazed" was the name of the government. It's obviously meant to be a familial lineage of the nobility or gentry. I mean, really, if the Fifth House referred to all of Betazed, why would it be special enough for Lwaxana to take such pride in being its daughter?
Indeed. Which is why I'm glad the novels have gone with the latter explanation. I'm assuming that the Star Charts just threw that in as a proposed name because it's the closest that canonical Trek had come to establishing anything formal regarding Betazed's leadership?

I do think the three I listed work well. "Deltan Union" appeals to the ideal of unity that's important in so many ways to the empathic, sensual Deltan culture, the Risans might well term themselves a "Hedony" since their entire culture has come to revolve around their reputation as a super-accommodating, super-liberal erotic holiday destination (good marketing being key, one assumes) and "People's Republic of Coridan" has the nice ring of "aw, bless them, they're really trying", given the Coridanites' history of unrest, social inequity, civil war and general butt monkey status.
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I dislike how the background graphics of Star Trek Into Darkness say that the (new) Vulcan state based out of New Vulcan in AR 2259 is the "Confederacy of Surak". Surak was only one person in all of Vulcan history! Where's the logic in naming a state after only one person? One person isn't responsible for the entirety of a civilization no matter how important they were. His name isn't even part of the homeworld's name! Not even Klingons call themselves something like "Imperial Kahless State".
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Quick question, Deranged Nasat. Why do you refer to the Vulcan state as the "Vulcan Confederacy of Surak" when the ENT:ROTF novel explicitly establishes its formal name as "the Confederacy of Vulcan?"
I think I got it from the Star Charts planetary profiles, which of course I disregard where they conflict with the novels, so I'm unsure why I let that through. I suppose I'd just decided on my own whim that "Confederacy of Vulcan" was, I don't know, the Canada to "Vulcan Confederacy of Surak's" Dominion of Canada, or something? Quite possibly unjustified of me; I don't think VCoS has been used in any novel.
Ah, okay. Thanks for clearing that up! And of course, it is possible that the Vulcan state later changed its name -- Massachusetts didn't call itself the Commonwealth of Massachusetts until well after the U.S. Constitution was ratified, IIRC...

The names "Deltan Union", "People's Republic of Coridan" and "Risan Hedony" come from the Star Charts, too; I use them until a novel contradicts them.
For what it's worth, I seem to recall that the Corps of Engineers novella The Future Begins establishes the Risian (not Risan) state's name to be "the Risian Hedony." (Scotty is granted honorary Risian Hedony citizenship after some virtuous engineering of their planetary weather network, the details of which I can't recall.)

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Though I discarded some other names, like "Fifth House of Betazed", since the novels have Houses meaning something different, and "Trill Symbiosis", because while there's something appealing about the Trill being sly as well as secretive, it still seemed silly to me.
I'm amazed that anyone would've thought "Fifth House of Betazed" was the name of the government. It's obviously meant to be a familial lineage of the nobility or gentry. I mean, really, if the Fifth House referred to all of Betazed, why would it be special enough for Lwaxana to take such pride in being its daughter?

And "Trill Symbiosis"? That's bizarrely inappropriate for a whole different set of reasons.
I agree that "Trill Symbiosis" sounds like a terrible name for the Trill state.

Though I will admit that, in my own musings, I've occasionally speculated that maybe certain ceremonial aristocratic Betazoid lineages are referred to as the "First House of Betazed," "Second House of Betazed," etc, with the entire Betazoid state being known simply as "the House of Betazed." That is absolutely just me speculating, though -- mostly for the purposes of the Excel file I keep of Federation Member States, their capitals, their heads of government, etc. (Deranged Nasat's awesome list is way more entertaining than mine, though -- and will be pretty useful to use in comparison!)

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I do think the three I listed work well. "Deltan Union" appeals to the ideal of unity that's important in so many ways to the empathic, sensual Deltan culture, the Risans might well term themselves a "Hedony" since their entire culture has come to revolve around their reputation as a super-accommodating, super-liberal erotic holiday destination (good marketing being key, one assumes) and "People's Republic of Coridan" has the nice ring of "aw, bless them, they're really trying", given the Coridanites' history of unrest, social inequity, civil war and general butt monkey status.
Agreed!

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I dislike how the background graphics of Star Trek Into Darkness say that the (new) Vulcan state based out of New Vulcan in AR 2259 is the "Confederacy of Surak". Surak was only one person in all of Vulcan history! Where's the logic in naming a state after only one person? One person isn't responsible for the entirety of a civilization no matter how important they were. His name isn't even part of the homeworld's name! Not even Klingons call themselves something like "Imperial Kahless State".
I agree that it's silly, but I can't say I can bring myself to care overmuch. It's just an illegible graphic. I don't consider it any more canonical than I do the giant hamster in a wheel powering the Enterprise-D on their Master Systems Display in engineering. (Though I think they following the precedent set by 2003's Star Trek: Star Charts, which also established the Vulcan state as "the Confederacy of Surak." Did Geoffrey Mandel work on the Into Darkness graphics?)

I do, however, have a thought on those graphics that may blur into story idea territory:

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I dislike how the background graphics of Star Trek Into Darkness say that the (new) Vulcan state based out of New Vulcan in AR 2259 is the "Confederacy of Surak". Surak was only one person in all of Vulcan history! Where's the logic in naming a state after only one person? One person isn't responsible for the entirety of a civilization no matter how important they were. His name isn't even part of the homeworld's name! Not even Klingons call themselves something like "Imperial Kahless State".
I agree that it's silly, but I can't say I can bring myself to care overmuch. It's just an illegible graphic. I don't consider it any more canonical than I do the giant hamster in a wheel powering the Enterprise-D on their Master Systems Display in engineering. (Though I think they following the precedent set by 2003's Star Trek: Star Charts, which also established the Vulcan state as "the Confederacy of Surak." Did Geoffrey Mandel work on the Into Darkness graphics?)

I do, however, have a thought on those graphics that may blur into story idea territory:

Well, the graphics are sufficiently visible on Blu-Ray to make it to Memory Alpha.

I don't get why they say "Andoria Prime". That seems redundant to me. I think in the past it's been the "Andorian system". But I'm pretty sure that the Andorian name for the binary Procyon star has never been given, and it's not even called Andor, Andoria, Andoro, Andorus, Ando, etc. by humans/Starfleet.

For the story idea you suggested, I suppose it's plausible but I don't think the film producers have any concern for the novels or lesser known things like that from Star Trek. After all they didn't see fit to have any Andorians in Star Trek Into Darkness let alone to canonize the 4 Andorian genders.
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