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Old February 19 2014, 05:16 PM   #46
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You may have just kind of blown my mind with the point about Benzenites. Yes, I think the writers intended Laporin to be Benzite, but the breathing tubes line is a little off, and Mordock being the first to enter Starfleet in 2364 is the dealbreaker. Lucky for us () that the actor seems to have mispronounced the line in the excitement of the moment!
Good thing too as I use one on my fanfic . The breathing tubes are just one small part of their odd physiology.

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It'll be interesting to see what we learn about the Rigel system in Tower of Babel; Christopher, I know you've mentioned the different source materials you drew on for the Rigel system, but I can't remember if you included Starfleet: Year One?
My assumption on the Rigel System is that it is one of the (if not the) most densely populated of the Federation, with several planets and moons developing intelligent life simultaneously--we've seen it happen on a single planet (Xindi and Menk homeworlds) so why not multiple worlds in one system?

We have the sabre-toothed turtle species (who also called themselves the Chelon), the Vulcanoid species, and the pale-skinned species from ENT. For a system with 10+ worlds and who knows how many moons, its not beyond the realm of possibilities.

But that's just how I look at it.
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Old February 19 2014, 10:46 PM   #47
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My assumption on the Rigel System is that it is one of the (if not the) most densely populated of the Federation,
Isn't that how it's described in "The Doomsday Machine?"

I always liked to imagine that if Earth is the Federation's Washington, DC, and Vulcan is the Federation's Boston or Philadelphia, then Rigel is the Federation's New York City.
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Old February 19 2014, 10:55 PM   #48
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^You "have" them in what context?
In a crate in his basement.
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Old February 20 2014, 04:31 AM   #49
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It'll be interesting to see what we learn about the Rigel system in Tower of Babel; Christopher, I know you've mentioned the different source materials you drew on for the Rigel system, but I can't remember if you included Starfleet: Year One?
No, because that's irreconcilable with Enterprise, and certainly with the ENT novel continuity. However, as Nasat mentioned, there is a red-eyed Rigelian, Folanir Pzial, mentioned as part of the Lovell crew in SCE and Vanguard, and since I'm working in the same continuity as those books, I've acknowledged and explained that variety.
Ah, so, indirectly. Very nice, can't wait!

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You may have just kind of blown my mind with the point about Benzenites. Yes, I think the writers intended Laporin to be Benzite, but the breathing tubes line is a little off, and Mordock being the first to enter Starfleet in 2364 is the dealbreaker. Lucky for us () that the actor seems to have mispronounced the line in the excitement of the moment!
Good thing too as I use one on my fanfic . The breathing tubes are just one small part of their odd physiology.
Can you PM a link to your fanfic? Or at least some of your descriptions? I'm intrigued!

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It'll be interesting to see what we learn about the Rigel system in Tower of Babel; Christopher, I know you've mentioned the different source materials you drew on for the Rigel system, but I can't remember if you included Starfleet: Year One?
My assumption on the Rigel System is that it is one of the (if not the) most densely populated of the Federation, with several planets and moons developing intelligent life simultaneously--we've seen it happen on a single planet (Xindi and Menk homeworlds) so why not multiple worlds in one system?

We have the sabre-toothed turtle species (who also called themselves the Chelon), the Vulcanoid species, and the pale-skinned species from ENT. For a system with 10+ worlds and who knows how many moons, its not beyond the realm of possibilities.

But that's just how I look at it.
I like this idea, and have arrived at similar conclusions on my own.

I believe David Mack has also suggested that "Rigelian" may refer specifically to having origins in the Rigel System, and not necessarily being of a particular species (like how "Texans" can be any number of ethnicities). Definitely like that idea.

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It'll be interesting to see what we learn about the Rigel system in Tower of Babel; Christopher, I know you've mentioned the different source materials you drew on for the Rigel system, but I can't remember if you included Starfleet: Year One?
I don't know about three fingers, etc, but the simple description of red eyes and silver skin has been used elsewhere, in SCE stories and Stargazer (which, of course, is in a "Broad Strokes" style relationship with the mainstream novel 'verse). Obviously, I don't know what Christopher went with, but I've assumed that the silver skinned red-eyed people are the same race as the yellowish tattooed Rigelians from Enterprise season four, just one of several ethnic variants. We'll see in a month or so, I guess.
Yeah, it would definitely be cool to see more explicit ethnic variation in alien races, especially variance in something other than skin tone (or Klingon forehead ridges).
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Old February 20 2014, 06:58 AM   #50
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I believe David Mack has also suggested that "Rigelian" may refer specifically to having origins in the Rigel System, and not necessarily being of a particular species (like how "Texans" can be any number of ethnicities). Definitely like that idea.
If anything, we ought to see examples like that more often -- persons of one biological species holding the citizenship of Federation Member States originally established by other species. A good example of that recently was Federation Councillor (and later President) Chab jav Lorg from DTI: Forgotten History, a biological Tellarite from Mars, who was descended from Mars's Tellarite diaspora.

If the Rigel system is the "Federation's New York" -- a longstanding center of vast trade, attracting a huge and dense population -- then it makes sense to presume that the Rigel would have all sorts of diasporas permanently living within its borders and long since assimilated or mostly assimilated into Rigellian culture: Humans, Vulcans, Andorians, Tellarites, Denobulans, Draylaxians, Tandarans, etc., etc.
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Old February 21 2014, 02:45 PM   #51
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I suppose the medusans could be part of the federation by now
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Old February 21 2014, 04:32 PM   #52
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The Poisoned Chalice explicitly establishes Magna Roma to be a Federation Member. From pages 98-99:

James Swallow, THE POISONED CHALICE wrote:
The other woman was the same age as Vale, from a planet commonly known as Magna Roma. Atia's people were the descendants of humans transplanted from Earth's distant past to that world by an alien race known as the Preservers. They had carried their culture--based on the Terran Roman Empire--with them and evolved a civilization based upon its tenets. The Magna Romanii had long since grown out of the more objectionable elements of their society and become active members of the Federation; but they were said to be a fierce, strident people, and Vale's first impression of her new executive officer did nothing to dispel that view.
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Old February 21 2014, 04:54 PM   #53
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^You "have" them in what context?
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No, "have them" in this massive history of Starfleet project I've been working on that will be posted probably in the next 2 weeks or so, depending on how things go. Or rather, the pieces that I've written thus far.
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Old March 4 2014, 03:31 PM   #54
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I just finished reading Infiltrator by W.R. Thompson. You can add the Zerkalans and maybe mention the Herans joining as a Trustee.
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Old March 5 2014, 12:08 AM   #55
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I just finished reading Infiltrator by W.R. Thompson. You can add the Zerkalans and maybe mention the Herans joining as a Trustee.
Who are the Zerkalans, what are they like?
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Old March 6 2014, 01:24 PM   #56
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I just finished reading Infiltrator by W.R. Thompson. You can add the Zerkalans and maybe mention the Herans joining as a Trustee.
Who are the Zerkalans, what are they like?
They were actually a peripheral part of the story without a lot of description. The plot of the book focused more on the genetically engineered Herans. A description of Zerkalan appearance eludes me but they were described as "functioning anarchist." The Herans were placed under them as Federation trustees.
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Old March 24 2014, 07:47 PM   #57
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We can add the Makkusians from Makkus (Sector 47-B): In 2376, the Federation was eager to invite them, and they were eager to join after Captain Shelby displayed her diplomatical skills. (NF: Excalibur: Restoration)

How about the Danteri Empire? They seemed awfully belligerent but were called members in House of Cards.

Any more forthcoming?
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Old March 24 2014, 08:09 PM   #58
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You can add K'Trall as members from TNG era, but joined around 2335 (Blaze of Glory novel).

They are of Romulan/Vulcan stock, so much so that one can't tell the difference, and are located on Federation side of Neutral zone. They do have feelings and are not aggressive like Romulans. In their system, they have 4 colony worlds, which constitute K'Tralli Empire ruled by an Overlord. There is also one Federation colony there.
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Old March 25 2014, 06:51 AM   #59
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How about the Danteri Empire? They seemed awfully belligerent but were called members in House of Cards.
I know they're referred to as Members in NF: House of Cards, but I'm inclined to interpret their subsequent constant use as antagonists -- and their role in supplying the Tezwan fleet in A Time to Kill -- as a retcon and exclude them from the Membership list. I just can't believe the 24th Century Federation would let one of its Members behave that way without expelling them.
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Old March 25 2014, 09:11 PM   #60
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How about the Danteri Empire? They seemed awfully belligerent but were called members in House of Cards.
I know they're referred to as Members in NF: House of Cards, but I'm inclined to interpret their subsequent constant use as antagonists -- and their role in supplying the Tezwan fleet in A Time to Kill -- as a retcon and exclude them from the Membership list. I just can't believe the 24th Century Federation would let one of its Members behave that way without expelling them.
Agreed. In all their appearances after the first story arc, the Danteri seem to be presented as a non-aligned nation, and are pretty much confirmed as such by comments in Small World and A Time to Kill. Given that their supposed membership is a rather throwaway line, and never really important even in that first arc, I just accept the apparent retcon. We could argue, perhaps, that the Danteri were an ally of the Federation in a loose sense, that the UFP helping negotiate the Danteri-Xenexian settlement led to them being classed as an associate nation or signing some sort of treaty that their representative is trying to cash in on during the Thallon Conference - "we're with the Federation! Let us handle the exploita-- I mean, the stabilization of Thallonian territory!" Having an ally on the Thallonian border, even if it's only the loosest possible relationship, might have been considered strategic. The Thallonians were isolationist and never antagonized the UFP, but they were still, perhaps, a power someone in the Federation wanted to keep track of?
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