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Old April 9 2014, 09:19 AM   #151
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Re: Members of the Federation.

Memory Beta treats all licensed sources equally, and cannot make a value judgement by picking one continuity as the standard. Thus, there are articles on Challenger NX-03 and Excalibur NX-03, and they're equally valid.

Where one item is referenced across several continuties, the information is included without marker when the sources don't disagree with one another. Where information is in conflict (e.g. Tal'Aura's life post-NEM), the differentiation is made clearly.

Also, not that the novelverse is far from being consistent, e.g. "Dead Man's Hand" vs. ENT.

Personally, I'm glad we include the RPG sources and STO. STO is simply a different timeline than the novelverse and can be marked as such. No need for conflict. And the RPGs, while often massively outdated, often provide information on subjects never touched by the novelverse or STO.

For example, the Bolians are often-seen background aliens, but we never truly learned anything about them except for snippets. We've never even visited Bolarus IX before! Therefore, the Worlds RPG currently remains the only source on the planet.
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Old April 9 2014, 09:36 AM   #152
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I'm okay with Mem Beta referencing those other continuities; I just wish they'd be listed separately rather than jumbled together.
That would be better, yes.
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Old April 9 2014, 03:00 PM   #153
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Memory Beta treats all licensed sources equally, and cannot make a value judgement by picking one continuity as the standard. Thus, there are articles on Challenger NX-03 and Excalibur NX-03, and they're equally valid.

Where one item is referenced across several continuties, the information is included without marker when the sources don't disagree with one another. Where information is in conflict (e.g. Tal'Aura's life post-NEM), the differentiation is made clearly.
I haven't found that to be the case. If it were clearly differentiated, then information from different sources would be under separate headings, as is the case on articles like those for the Rigel planets, which differentiate the FASA version from the Decipher RPG version and so on. But I routinely see information from conflicting sources jumbled together in consecutive paragraphs without any differentiation. Sure, if a reader already understands that the novels, the comics, and STO are incompatible continuities, then they can use their own judgment to differentiate them. But a lot of people aren't going to be so clear on that, and thus the intermixed format won't help them understand the difference.
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Old April 10 2014, 02:23 PM   #154
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Re: Members of the Federation.

The Xyrillians have been mentioned in the thread, I would imagine the early Federation would try & get them to join seeing as their version of the holodeck was a superior technology to Starfleet's. If I remember, didn't they share that w/ the Klingons so they wouldn't destroy the Xyrillian ship?
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Old April 10 2014, 02:58 PM   #155
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The Xyrillians have been mentioned in the thread, I would imagine the early Federation would try & get them to join seeing as their version of the holodeck was a superior technology to Starfleet's. If I remember, didn't they share that w/ the Klingons so they wouldn't destroy the Xyrillian ship?
The Rise of the Federation books briefly address this. The Klingons put the holographic tech they'd acquired to distasteful use, and the Xyrillian government and their closest trading partners decide to implement laws forbidding the sale of holotech to aliens. So presumably they'd refuse Federation overtures.

That said, The Case of the Colonist's Corpse, an TOS novel, mentions that Starfleet is hoping to install some Xyrillian tech aboard their ships (replicator-type stuff, I believe?), so maybe the Xyrillians loosen restrictions as time goes by.
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Old April 10 2014, 03:49 PM   #156
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Re: Members of the Federation.

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I'm okay with Mem Beta referencing those other continuities; I just wish they'd be listed separately rather than jumbled together.
That would be better, yes.
There were a few entries that I tried to edit to make them separate the continuities like that, but some jackass kept undoing whatever I'd done. Eventually I just gave up.
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Old April 10 2014, 04:53 PM   #157
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There were a few entries that I tried to edit to make them separate the continuities like that, but some jackass kept undoing whatever I'd done. Eventually I just gave up.
Memory Beta is a collaborative effort. No single person can impose structures. Conflicts of opinion as you describe can be addressed on talk pages.

Don't be discouraged. Some of my formatting gets reworked, too.
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Old April 10 2014, 05:46 PM   #158
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There were a few entries that I tried to edit to make them separate the continuities like that, but some jackass kept undoing whatever I'd done. Eventually I just gave up.
Memory Beta is a collaborative effort. No single person can impose structures. Conflicts of opinion as you describe can be addressed on talk pages.
That is a far more optimistic assessment of who dominates Memory Beta than I would be inclined to hold.
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Old April 10 2014, 06:52 PM   #159
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Memory Beta is a collaborative effort. No single person can impose structures. Conflicts of opinion as you describe can be addressed on talk pages.
That is a far more optimistic assessment of who dominates Memory Beta than I would be inclined to hold.
Not to call names, but am I right to assume you are referring to a specific individual who may be somewhat vindicative?

On a side note, the article on Rigelians now differentiates between the novelverse and other continuities, at least concerning the various species. It's a start.
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Old April 10 2014, 07:17 PM   #160
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Re: Members of the Federation.

I don't know how it is these days, but when I was somewhat active at MB a couple of years ago, CaptainMike handled MB as if it was his personal playground.

Although I personally had no fights with him (I guess German translations fell out of his focus of interest) I just left (and I think I wasn't the only one), since the whole feeling of the site was extremely hostile thanks to him IMO.
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Old April 10 2014, 08:48 PM   #161
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I don't know how it is these days, but when I was somewhat active at MB a couple of years ago, CaptainMike handled MB as if it was his personal playground.
He still does.

I admit I kind of lost it with him once - kind of hard not to - but it's just not worth it.

(Side note: If you get banned from Memory Beta, does this propagate to the entirety of all Wikia sites?)
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Old April 10 2014, 10:19 PM   #162
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Does the novelverse have a clear definition on the oft-used term "sector" and Star Trek Online for "sector block" and "sector"?
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Old April 10 2014, 10:31 PM   #163
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Star Charts is often used as a reference by novelists, and it defines a typical sector as being a cubic volume of space 20 light years on a side.
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Old April 10 2014, 11:06 PM   #164
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Memory Beta is way better than the TARDIS Data Core, which seems to be run by people who don't understand the joy of Doctor Who at all.
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Old April 13 2014, 06:38 AM   #165
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Star Charts is often used as a reference by novelists, and it defines a typical sector as being a cubic volume of space 20 light years on a side.
It's been a while since I've read it, but I think it goes further than that, defining the division of space into sectors as being a lattice of cubes parallel to the galactic plane and the perpendicular plane on the line from Sol to the galactic center, with Sol as the origin? Though I never understood how that part was supposed to go along with Sol being within sector 001, since it would technically be located in 8 sectors at once by that definition.
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