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Old March 21 2014, 01:05 AM   #331
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Re: Star Trek Continues: Episode 2 "Lolani"...

No offense taken at all.

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Old March 21 2014, 02:21 AM   #332
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Re: Star Trek Continues: Episode 2 "Lolani"...

On a separate note.. I like the cast. But for some reason, when I look at the Kirk. I keep expecting him to sell me a new car with Tru-coat from the factory I never ordered!
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Old March 21 2014, 03:18 PM   #333
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See, I don't take the story at face value as to what it's "about". Yes, they're talking about slavery, but the metaphor is about people being disenfranchised because of their sex, which applies to groups like the Taliban as much as to slave trade.
Interesting as always, Maurice.
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Old March 21 2014, 05:47 PM   #334
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See, I don't take the story at face value as to what it's "about". Yes, they're talking about slavery, but the metaphor is about people being disenfranchised because of their sex, which applies to groups like the Taliban as much as to slave trade.
Interesting as always, Maurice.
It's a good point. A story can work on more than one level.
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Old March 21 2014, 08:22 PM   #335
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Re: Star Trek Continues: Episode 2 "Lolani"...

In this case, Lolani serves as the McGuffin (the prize everyone wants) but the real story is as Maurice pointed out, about more than just black and white questions of slavery.
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Old March 22 2014, 02:02 AM   #336
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In this case, Lolani serves as the McGuffin (the prize everyone wants) but the real story is as Maurice pointed out, about more than just black and white questions of slavery.
Lolani isn't a MacGuffin. She's the representation of the larger plight writ small and made manifest in a single character so the audience can relate.
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Old March 22 2014, 05:53 AM   #337
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In this case, Lolani serves as the McGuffin (the prize everyone wants) but the real story is as Maurice pointed out, about more than just black and white questions of slavery.
Lolani isn't a MacGuffin. She's the representation of the larger plight writ small and made manifest in a single character so the audience can relate.
Yeah, I didn't get that either. MacGuffin would be if Kirk and Kenway were each simultaneously plotting to enslave her in addition to Mr. Ferrigno's character.
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Old March 22 2014, 03:23 PM   #338
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She was the center of attention. The ostensible point of the story, while the story was, as Maurice pointed out, about much more than just her plight as a slave. The fact that the story could be interpreted in various ways speaks well of the effort that went into it.
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Old March 22 2014, 04:45 PM   #339
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She was the center of attention. The ostensible point of the story, while the story was, as Maurice pointed out, about much more than just her plight as a slave. The fact that the story could be interpreted in various ways speaks well of the effort that went into it.
Yes, Lolaini is the center of attention. She was the catalyst for the story. Yes, the story is about something larger as Maurice points out, but that's theme.

Lolani isn't a MacGuffin. She isn't some object that everyone desires like the Maltese Falcon, the quintessential MacGuffin. Kirk and crew want to help her, but they don't desire her. Only Lolani's slaver desires her. And the story wouldn't work without Lolani, you couldn't replace her with some other object or character. A MacGuffin is something which, in the end, doesn't matter what it is — a briefcase, the Holy Grail, the Rabbit's Claw, Godot, the Golden Fleece — and the story remains the same. Can't really do that here.

Lolani is our in to the larger theme of the story. She is the manifestation of that theme, so that we as an audience can understand the larger plight through her struggle.
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Old March 23 2014, 03:53 AM   #340
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I just watched it and I thought it was a pretty good episode. Vic was even better as Kirk, having his mannerisms and reaction down pat. Chris Doohan looks and sounds even more like his father if that's possible.

Though there are storyline issues here that just don't work for me. Tellarites are supposed to be Federation citizens and it's stated they can't prosecute Lolani because she's not a Federation citizen. Doesn't that pretty much mean that any non-Federation citizen can kill or harm a Federation citizen and get away with it? That would lead to chaos. Not to mention those Tellarites committed a serious crime.

Governments are hypocritical but the Federation/Starfleet being so fanatical about sending Lolani back to her Orion slavers struck me as odd. If there was an angle like the Orion were offering something vital to the Federation or the usual standard corrupt admiral I can buy it. But I can't see the progressive Federation being so hell bent to send a slave back to her master. Not to mention you had the Orion assault Lolani and Kirk on their own ship.

The main problem is there is NO WAY Kirk would have sent Lolani back into slavery. He might be conflicted about it at first but ultimately he would disobey Starfleet and do what he thought was right. He wouldn't have been cowed by a superior officier. As good as Star Trek Continues is, Kirk handing a slave back to her master is not James T. Kirk.
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Old March 23 2014, 03:57 AM   #341
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^^ And the ending where Kirk is intent on retrieving Lolani goes to that point. He can't live with that decision of handing her over to Zaminhon. But now he has to live with it because if he had refused the order initially Lolani would still be alive.
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Old March 26 2014, 11:18 PM   #342
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As far as "Lolani" goes; some folks like it; some dont so it IS like TOS, lol.
Interesting take.


Ferrigno was great; believable as one who genuinely sees himself in the right (so he's not an over the top antagonist), yet the undercurrent of villainy was interesting.
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Old March 27 2014, 02:25 AM   #343
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It's been asked when Episode 3 will be released. Answer: this summer.

Apparently actress Kipleigh Brown (who guest starred in an ENT episode) will be a guest star in STC's Episode 3. From a hint from Eps. 3 director James Kerwin she might be playing someone in the command division and could be connected to (or reprising) a character from TOS.

Here is the podcast (scroll down) with the interview with Kipleigh Brown and James Kerwin: http://truepodcastmedia.com/mmoshows...mes-and-chase/
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Old March 27 2014, 02:59 AM   #344
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Funny how these little bits of info get out.

Both Kipleigh and James did an awesome job. I believe that this will be the best STC episode yet. During the shoot there was a great energy on set and the script is great. As with all of these fan productions; we probably won't please everyone but I think a majority will approve.
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Old March 27 2014, 03:17 AM   #345
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So far STC is two for two in my book. The episodes weren't perfect, but then quite a few TOS episodes weren't perfect either and I still enjoyed the hell out of them.

For me a major strength of STC (besides recreating that fantastic TOS vibe in look and feel and sound) is their choice of subject matter. They seem intent on going for more challenging kinds of drama. It isn't that fist fights or starship combat might not show up, but that isn't their main intent.

When Vic Mignogna said his favourite TOS episode was "Requiem For Methuselah" that gave me a sense of where he'd like this production to go. And I can respect that because that kind of story goes beyond conventional fanfic or fannish type material.

There is a sense with many that so much has been done in Star Trek that one can wonder what is left to be done, what is there left to address? Sadly a lot of things that were of concern in the 1960s are still with us in conjunction with other issues that are new to our times. "Lolani" touching upon the issue of human trafficking is acknowledgement of something going back thousands of years. "Lolani" was more upfront than an episode like "Gamesters Of Triskelion," but they each touched upon similar subject matter.

Racism is still with us. Religious extremism is still with us. Political corruption is still with us. War is still with us. Militarism is still with us. Economic inequality is still us. Those are but a few that Star Trek commented on among others and no reason these could not be revisited in new ways.

Of course, there's also some good old-fashioned space adventure to be had as well.
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