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Old February 18 2014, 01:52 AM   #211
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Re: Star Trek Continues: Episode 2 "Lolani"...

I think it's a mistake to assume that all members of any race are citizens of their people's home planet. They could have been born outside the Federation or renounced their citizenship, etc. etc.
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Old February 18 2014, 03:02 AM   #212
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I think it's a mistake to assume that all members of any race are citizens of their people's home planet. They could have been born outside the Federation or renounced their citizenship, etc. etc.
Fair enough, and a line of dialog would have cleared that up for the audience.
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Old February 18 2014, 03:17 AM   #213
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"Citizens" or not, some people are criminals. If they are killed while committing a crime, too bad. No sympathy from me.

That said, I need to watch the whole thing from start to finish to make an informed decision. Let me get back to you on that.
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Old February 19 2014, 05:15 AM   #214
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Looks like Chuck Huber, the actor from the vignettes, will be back to play McCoy in STC's third episode. He was a little rough around the edges, but I thought he had a good presence about him and nice chemistry with Vic and company.

Larry Nemecek actually did a pretty good job, all things considered, but I suspect Chuck has a better chance of making McCoy relevant and alive.
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Old February 19 2014, 05:26 AM   #215
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Re: Star Trek Continues: Episode 2 "Lolani"...

We need some of that classic Spock/McCoy banter back as well as some of McCoy's acerbic nature dialled back in.
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Old February 21 2014, 01:50 AM   #216
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I really enjoyed this episode! Well done to all involved!

One of the... challenges of fan productions is the acting and action sequences. I completely understand and recognize the limitations of what doing a fan production is and the limited time those involved have. Please forgive me as I am merely stating this is a challenge and not a criticism in any way. I applaud everyone for making such efforts, and I enjoy everyone's work.

That said, I was very pleased with the acting on this production. The actors playing Kirk and Spock really are fine and seemingly comfortable in their roles. Chris Doohan is doing an amazing job as Scotty. And the guest stars were excellent! I loved seeing Erin Gray and Lou Ferrigno.

Cheers and continued success!
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Old February 22 2014, 10:11 AM   #217
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Just finished watching 'Lolani.'

Overall, pretty good. I would have liked to see more of Kim Stinger as Uhura. (She's a very pretty girl, yet we see very little of her!) While the counselor is also lovely to look at, and is a 'strong' character in her own right...I agree with previous comments that Uhura would have been an interesting challenge to be the one to side with Lolani. (I say 'challenge' because Uhura is a a subordinate, and that would have created an interesting piece of conflict between her and Kirk).

Little touches I liked were the 3rd season TOS music that was edited into various scenes. Also, while the ending didn't exactly end on a 'happy' note, it showed that not everything works out as the crew (or even the audience) thinks it will.
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Old February 23 2014, 02:37 AM   #218
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I enjoyed this episode quite a bit. Another winner for Star Trek Continues. I loved the moral quandary Captain Kirk was placed in and his eventual decision. It was great seeing Lou Ferrigno and Erin Gray and the actress playing Lolani was good. As was McKenna.

It's interesting that some felt Uhura should've sided more with Lolani. I would've liked that. Especially with a show that's an homage to a 60's TV show that commented on the racial politics of that era, it would've been cool to see Uhura take a stand on the side of Lolani and her actions could be rooted in American slavery/segregation and African colonization.
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Old February 23 2014, 04:27 AM   #219
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I enjoyed this episode quite a bit. Another winner for Star Trek Continues. I loved the moral quandary Captain Kirk was placed in and his eventual decision. It was great seeing Lou Ferrigno and Erin Gray and the actress playing Lolani was good. As was McKenna.

It's interesting that some felt Uhura should've sided more with Lolani. I would've liked that. Especially with a show that's an homage to a 60's TV show that commented on the racial politics of that era, it would've been cool to see Uhura take a stand on the side of Lolani and her actions could be rooted in American slavery/segregation and African colonization.
Well, if they just used Uhura for this episode just to make a comment on slavery and African colonization, that would have been BS, imo. A bit troublesome, possibly a bit racist. If they went that route, it would liken the hypothetical 'episode' to one of those cliched television episodes (e.g. 'on a very special episode') where said episode is dedicated to focusing on the black character just to make a statement on racism....then that black character is regulated to the background for the rest of the series.

Star Trek works best when it is not patting itself on its back, or pushing what it thinks equality should be. Or, overall trying to speak for everyone - especially people of color.

Granted, they - the ST:C guys - could make the slavery connection, but I was thinking more of Uhura connecting with Lolani more on a female level and showing Lolani that as a female she doesn't have to adhere to certain conditions.

EDIT: On that same note of female characters, I forgot to mention how I liked the addition of a female security officer. The only female security officer was 'Ensign Wu' from the Star Trek book inspired by the Choose Your Own Adventures - the name which escapes me at this time.
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Old February 23 2014, 10:12 AM   #220
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I've said it on TrekMovie: they needn't have hung a lantern on it. Simply having Lolani notice Uhura being treated as an equal and maybe having Uhura give her a dress (it would be in her nature, seeing as how she volunteered her quarters in "Elaan of Troyius") would have sent a message precisely by NOT sending an overt one.
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Old February 23 2014, 10:19 AM   #221
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^They really should get you in as a script editor/advisor .

I've only seen a couple of fanfilms (OGAM, the first Phase II and first STC) and bar the animated Aurora, which is sweet and pitch-perfect, this was a vast improvement on first episode. Clunky...but so was TOS, which is one of things I love about it .
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Old February 23 2014, 11:45 AM   #222
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I've said it on TrekMovie: they needn't have hung a lantern on it. Simply having Lolani notice Uhura being treated as an equal and maybe having Uhura give her a dress (it would be in her nature, seeing as how she volunteered her quarters in "Elaan of Troyius") would have sent a message precisely by NOT sending an overt one.
That may work, as long as it doesn't come off as Uhura being depicted as the only non-white female among 400+ people, being that this is a future where everyone is supposedly equal. We would think that Lolani would not only see female officers or crew who are 'black' or 'half-black,' but also Asian, or visibly half-Asian, etc. Otherwise, we run into the 'first interracial kiss' problem where race comes up only when a black character - Uhura, again, in this case - is involved.
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Old February 23 2014, 12:01 PM   #223
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^They really should get you in as a script editor/advisor .
Thanks, but I've stopped banging my head against that particular wall. My experience is that most fanfilm makers who ask for input won't actually implement the notes they're given, especially when the notes aren't glowing. Many of them seem to think they know how to make storytelling decisions just as well as such reviewers, despite having little or no actual experience writing, let alone anything approaching minimal professional standards for same.
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Old February 23 2014, 12:11 PM   #224
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^ which is precisely why they should utilise you. .

I have some limited experience of producers/notes (but have sold scripts), and all I can say is I think your script evaluations seem really sound .
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Old February 23 2014, 12:20 PM   #225
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Thanks. Be interested to hear where you've sold scripts, but we could take that to a PM so as not to derail this thread.
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