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Old February 14 2014, 02:01 AM   #136
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Re: Star Trek Continues: Episode 2 "Lolani"...

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My only issue with Michelle Specht's role is that I would have rather had the part she plays in the story spread out amongst the existing ST characters like Spock, Bones, and Uhura. She's a perfectly good actress, and I have no problem with the character, I just like more of a focus on the characters I came to watch.

I do find there's more of a TNG sensibility to the scripts, and Vic's Kirk seems to have a command style that's closer to Picard's than Shatner's Kirk. It was more prominent in the first episode, but I can still see traces in this one.

I liked that the main characters had a moral quandary, but I think they missed something by having Kirk's final decision come too late to affect the outcome. I would like to see Kirk's decision-making drive the final outcome of the next episode.
Yeah, I like her although if they had simply re-cast her as Noel I'd have been just as happy - except I suppose Noel was also a doctor.

I agree that slotting her in as counselor is painting her into a corner in terms of contribution beyond flirting and a female perspective that competes with Bones' emotional perspective. Although I think the character was poorly handled, Rand actually had a lot more potential than Uhura or Chapel because her role was nebulous, mobile, and versatile enough that they needed very little excuse to use her. Giver her a phaser and show her as having security training and you have a perfectly serviceable modern heroine who ALSO makes the coffee.

TOS probably feels better if you use the troika for most of your story but give the supporting cast a defining trait/job that gives them some generic contribution, and then rotate one or two of them to contribute more heavily periodically alongside guest characters. I think if you try to give the supporting cast too much to do everybody gets spread too thinly.

the key, which is where I think TOS fell down, was not using the supporting cast, apart from Scotty, anywhere near enough throughout the run overall, and nowhere near evenly.
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Old February 14 2014, 05:05 AM   #137
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Specht is a fine actress and I think it's somewhat denigrating to her and the performances she's given to assume that the only reason she's there is because she's Vic's partner. Who cares? She's playing a dynamic, new character. It's hardly the end of the world.
Um, no. I didn't comment on her acting abilities. What I did insinuate was that she, compared to the rest of the ensemble, get's more screen time, even more than McCoy and Spock. To the detriment of the other characters. Don't sit there and tell me it's TOS continued and then develop a character for your finance that has nothing to do with TOS..and still call it Star Trek Continues..

Gimme a break.
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Old February 14 2014, 05:20 AM   #138
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Shows introduce new characters all the time. It's entirely conceivable that TOS might have done this if it had lasted a few more years. The Spock character, as much as I love him, wasn't utilized well in season 3, even Nimoy has stated as such. The 'fresh air" of a new character might have helped if the show had continued.
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Old February 14 2014, 05:20 AM   #139
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I don't agree, Halliwell. I think Helen Noel got a whole lot more screen time than McCoy or Spock in DAGGER OF THE MIND. Of course, she's a guest star and not a series regular like Specht.
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Old February 14 2014, 05:40 AM   #140
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Specht is a fine actress and I think it's somewhat denigrating to her and the performances she's given to assume that the only reason she's there is because she's Vic's partner. Who cares? She's playing a dynamic, new character. It's hardly the end of the world.
Um, no. I didn't comment on her acting abilities. What I did insinuate was that she, compared to the rest of the ensemble, get's more screen time, even more than McCoy and Spock. To the detriment of the other characters. Don't sit there and tell me it's TOS continued and then develop a character for your finance that has nothing to do with TOS..and still call it Star Trek Continues..

Gimme a break.
The thing you are forgetting is that this is their show to produce as they see fit. Certainly, I've made no bones about my criticisms of Phase II and how they choose to do things. Likewise, you are more than welcome to criticize Continues for how they do things there. But I disagree wholeheartedly that McKennah's presence is such that it is at the detriment of the other characters. She's a part of Star Trek Continues whether you like it or not. It's also not the end of the world. It's no more or less valid than Phase II's everything-and-the-kitchen-sink-retcon-continuity-porn approach.

As has been pointed out, plenty of other characters have been given larger roles than Spock or McCoy in other stories. It'd be great if there were more than two full episodes to compare, but for now that's all we have. Helen Noel, Khan, Lazarus, Edith Keeler, there are plenty of other characters we could cite.

Neither web series will ever truly "be" TOS; but they both achieve the nearness of it in their own way. Whether McKennah's presence is a concession toward that end or not, I'm fine with it.
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Old February 14 2014, 06:36 AM   #141
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I liked McKenna. She was an interesting character. I haven't seen The Pligrim of Eternity yet, but I stumbled across Lolani the other day, and enjoyed it.
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Old February 14 2014, 06:44 AM   #142
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Just caught the new episode.... BRAVO! Excellently executed! Loved it! It worked on so many levels. Lou Ferrigno totally rocked. The entire cast was excellent. I tip my hat to the cast and crew! TOS lives! Keep up the exemplary work.
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Old February 14 2014, 07:48 AM   #143
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I've rewatched the episode a few other times and here are my thoughts. First, congrats to the STAR TREK CONTINUES team for releasing an episode that captivated my attention and that told a meaningful story.

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Old February 14 2014, 10:00 PM   #144
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I've rewatched the episode a few other times and here are my thoughts. First, congrats to the STAR TREK CONTINUES team for releasing an episode that captivated my attention and that told a meaningful story.

Well put.
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Old February 14 2014, 10:21 PM   #145
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My favorite episode so far is In Harm's Way. I think that is better than even the current one. No questionable characters of their lifestyles to cause divisions of the fans, great story line and great action. I don't know if they can top that episode but I'll keep watching to see.
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Old February 14 2014, 10:39 PM   #146
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There's just too much going on in "In Harm's Way," too much shoehorning of various elements from the franchise in the limited scope of that episode for it to work for me. It's like the producers were aiming to do a Peter David-style epic novel on screen, and while parts of it work well, it just ends up being crushed under its own weight. I like it, but I don't think I'd call it the best fan film out there.
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Old February 14 2014, 11:16 PM   #147
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"In Harm's Way" represents so much of what I don't like in fan productions.
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Old February 14 2014, 11:37 PM   #148
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"In Harm's Way" represents so much of what I don't like in fan productions.
Which is always one of the problems we face: we have all kinds of fans who have conflicting preferences in what they want from fan productions. One man's trash is another man's treasure--and vice versa.
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Old February 14 2014, 11:43 PM   #149
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"In Harm's Way" represents so much of what I don't like in fan productions.
That's so interesting to hear because you've been so tight-lipped about which ones you do like.
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"In Harm's Way" represents so much of what I don't like in fan productions.
Which is always one of the problems we face: we have all kinds of fans who have conflicting preferences in what they want from fan productions. One man's trash is another man's treasure--and vice versa.
Is that a problem? I say just make the show you want to see and people will like it or they won't.
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