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Old February 28 2014, 07:37 AM   #331
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Re: Homosexual Rights in the Star Trek Universe

I love that this is the sort of board that people make the distinction between something 'metatextual' and something 'intratextual'.

If there weren't production realities that had an impact on the Trek universe, only about 20% of the characters would be white.
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Old February 28 2014, 04:32 PM   #332
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I love that this is the sort of board that people make the distinction between something 'metatextual' and something 'intratextual'.

If there weren't production realities that had an impact on the Trek universe, only about 20% of the characters would be white.
How many characters would be human?
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Old February 28 2014, 07:22 PM   #333
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With a 150 odd species in the federation, Humans would be two-thirds of one percent.




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Old February 28 2014, 11:07 PM   #334
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That's true. I suppose the skin pigment would have more to do with the average climate on member worlds. The more direct sunlight they experience, the darker skinned they'd be.
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Old March 1 2014, 05:08 PM   #335
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With a 150 odd species in the federation, Humans would be two-thirds of one percent.




See, thars not how life workd, though. Other factors come into play than just ratio/percentage of this group or that group per populace. Combined, Chinese and Indians are 33% of the Earth's population, yet they do not make up a third of your graduating class or a third of your friends. Currently this is due to geography and that mist Chinese are in China and Indians in India.

This still illustrates that other factors come into play. One ethnic or genetic group might be more disposed for one activity or another. If men and women were truly treated and viewed as equal in all things, there still may be some things that attract more men than women or vice versa.

Some planets may just not send that many being to Starfeet whereas other beings are better suited or more eager for life in space.
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Old April 8 2014, 01:43 PM   #336
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... where the Andorian was attracted to the 3 opposite (opposing?) genders, plus was attracted to members of their own gender.

They're gay.
what?

You say yourself it's the equivalent of a human bisexual, so right there that's not 'gay.' It's bisexual.

They're not the same thing. It's bisexual erasure to say they are, and I would have thought a transgender person was against that. Bisexual is not the same as gay, and you even say that yourself, so what the hell are you talking about?

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4 genders = quadrasexuality, trisexuality, bisexuality or homosexuality.

Even Andorian trisexuality does not guarantee same sex attraction, but it can, because the lone sex which any hypothetical example of trisexuality is not attracted to, could be any of the four genders including the same sex as the example focussed on here, but not always.

Novels yes, there are four genders.

TV canon, maybe?

DATA: There are many opinions. On Galvin Five, a marriage is considered successful only if children are produced within a year of the wedding. Andorian marriages require groups of four people unless...
Unless? Unless what Data?

Golly.

Maybe there are still only two genders, and the ratio of genders in any possible quartet, can skew to 4:0 with respect to either gender?
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Old April 8 2014, 09:58 PM   #337
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See, thars not how life workd, though. Other factors come into play than just ratio/percentage of this group or that group per populace. Combined, Chinese and Indians are 33% of the Earth's population, yet they do not make up a third of your graduating class or a third of your friends. Currently this is due to geography and that mist Chinese are in China and Indians in India.
I'll have you know about half of my friends are Indian or Asian.

Of course, I am a software engineer.

This still illustrates that other factors come into play. One ethnic or genetic group might be more disposed for one activity or another. If men and women were truly treated and viewed as equal in all things, there still may be some things that attract more men than women or vice versa.

Some planets may just not send that many being to Starfeet whereas other beings are better suited or more eager for life in space.
True, but we also as humans allow those real differences in attraction to different professions between groups to bias our evaluation of people's skill at those professions. Any job that the average man is more likely to want than the average woman, the women who do want the job have to prove themselves twice as hard to be accepted, so the actual difference between genders gets exaggerated in the results.

It's possible humans are more driven to join Starfleet than other aliens, but it wouldn't be that big a skew of 1/150 to the 75% we see on the show. Having the crew be mostly human is a budget decision.
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Old April 8 2014, 11:37 PM   #338
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It's possible humans are more driven to join Starfleet than other aliens, but it wouldn't be that big a skew of 1/150 to the 75% we see on the show. Having the crew be mostly human is a budget decision.
Well, if you consider founding worlds, Alpha Centaurans are human, Andorians have problems making offspring, Vulcans "do it" once every 7 years, and for all we know Tellarites have litters, but don't do it that often because they find each other so damned disagreeable. So maybe we DO outnumber them by that much?
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Old April 9 2014, 11:10 AM   #339
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It could be that humans are the rabbits of the galaxy.
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Old April 9 2014, 12:29 PM   #340
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Well, if you consider founding worlds, Alpha Centaurans are human ...
That's has never made sense to me.

Of the limited number of founder worlds of the Federation, two were Human? To me it would make more sense if each of the Federation's five founders were of a different species.

Alpha Centaurans might be humanoid, but they're not Humans.

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Old April 9 2014, 11:44 PM   #341
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^ Actually, they are, since the Alpha Centauri colony was founded BY humans.
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Old April 9 2014, 11:51 PM   #342
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Vulcans "do it" once every 7 years...
Not according to the Sarek/Amanda fanfic series I've been reading...

Actually, there has never been anything saying Vulcans cannot have sex whenever they want. It's just that every 7 years they HAVE to have sex (at least the males do).
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Old April 10 2014, 12:27 AM   #343
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It's just that every 7 years they HAVE to have sex (at least the males do).
According to Enterprise, it applies to the females as well.
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Old April 10 2014, 01:41 AM   #344
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It's just that every 7 years they HAVE to have sex (at least the males do).
According to Enterprise, it applies to the females as well.
That doesn't agree with what was shown in "Amok Time."
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Old April 10 2014, 01:57 AM   #345
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It's just that every 7 years they HAVE to have sex (at least the males do).
According to Enterprise, it applies to the females as well.
That doesn't agree with what was shown in "Amok Time."
How so? T'Pring had a lover.
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