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Old February 7 2014, 04:59 AM   #16
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Same reason every time the name "Droid" is used to advertise a phone, George Lucas has to get paid for it. "Droid" is trademarked under Lucas Entertainment.
Droid may be trademarked, but ANdroid is a different word. Lucas has no say in that one.
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Old February 7 2014, 05:58 AM   #17
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Yeah, the word 'Android' pre-dates George Lucas.

I doubt even Google has got dabs on 'Android' as copyrighted word. They've got IP over their funny little robot logo character thingy, but the word 'Android' itself is uncopyrightable.

But then again, every bar of Cadbury's milk chocolate bears the words 'The color purple is copyright Cadbury'. So wtf would I know?

Regarding Nick Locarno, what always buggered me was how the writers themselves seemed to kinda forget they were different characters after a point. There's an episode where Belana makes the statement that Tom Paris was "expelled" with the Academy -- uh, no he wasn't. Paris graduated, his incident happened when he was already an officer. Nick Locarno was the one who got expelled from the Academy.
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Old February 7 2014, 01:30 PM   #18
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Locarno tried to cover everything up from the get-go. Paris eventually came clean and admitted what he'd done.

Paris had a conscience; Locarno didn't.
Didn't Locarno do what he did simply to protect his team. He knew he'd made a mistake but wanted to make sure his team didn't all get punished for it....when that was no longer possible, he took full responsibility (as he said he would)

He never bullied or threatened Wesley to tow the line....he allowed him to make his own choice but strongly felt that the team should protect each other

I always thought he was a far more principled and mature character than Paris was....Paris had a bit of a goofy, boyish quality that Locarno probably didn't (but Locarno may have developed that as the series went on if he'd been on board)
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Old February 7 2014, 01:39 PM   #19
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Old February 7 2014, 01:51 PM   #20
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Yeah, the word 'Android' pre-dates George Lucas.

I doubt even Google has got dabs on 'Android' as copyrighted word. They've got IP over their funny little robot logo character thingy, but the word 'Android' itself is uncopyrightable.

But then again, every bar of Cadbury's milk chocolate bears the words 'The color purple is copyright Cadbury'. So wtf would I know?
That might simply be that shade of purple, or that using a purple wrapper on a cholcate bar is copyrighted. I suspect if Cadbury's decided to launch a similar bar to a Mars Bar put it in a black wrapper with red lettering for the name say Ares. Mars might have a thing or two to say.
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Old February 7 2014, 02:44 PM   #21
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Paris had a bit of a goofy, boyish quality that Locarno probably didn't (but Locarno may have developed that as the series went on if he'd been on board)
That's why Locarno wouldn't have worked. A good character is a well-rounded, dynamic character. Tom Paris was a more-than-competent pilot, he made a good medic (even before receiving extra training from the Doctor), he had a conscience, he had a strong sense of duty and loyalty, and he knew how to have fun.

I can't imagine Locarno goofing around with Harry in the Captain Proton program. I can't even imagine Locarno and Harry even being friends. I certainly can't imagine Locarno as someone B'Elanna would be friends with, never mind eventually marrying.
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Old February 7 2014, 02:51 PM   #22
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That's why Locarno wouldn't have worked. A good character is a well-rounded, dynamic character. Tom Paris was a more-than-competent pilot, he made a good medic (even before receiving extra training from the Doctor), he had a conscience, he had a strong sense of duty and loyalty, and he knew how to have fun.
Nick had one episode, Tom had seven years. How well rounded was Tom by the halfway point of Caretaker?
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Old February 7 2014, 03:21 PM   #23
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That's why Locarno wouldn't have worked. A good character is a well-rounded, dynamic character. Tom Paris was a more-than-competent pilot, he made a good medic (even before receiving extra training from the Doctor), he had a conscience, he had a strong sense of duty and loyalty, and he knew how to have fun.
Nick had one episode, Tom had seven years. How well rounded was Tom by the halfway point of Caretaker?
He gained a catchphrase, "Yes, ma'am. " Is that development?
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Old February 7 2014, 04:07 PM   #24
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Was that before or after we know he likes plain tomato soup and he rescued Harry from being fleeced by Quark?

There's another difference between them. Tom Paris is the 24th century equivalent of "street-smart." That's something I don't get from Locarno.
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Old February 7 2014, 05:25 PM   #25
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^In the end, I don't feel the differences are compelling. Even inn the first hour, we learn more about Paris than we did about Locarno. However, Locarno was designed as something for Wesley to react to and ultimately to reject. We're supposed to learn to love and live with Paris for many seasons. It's the difference between a one-time part and a recurring role, nothing more.
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Old February 7 2014, 10:10 PM   #26
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Locarno openly encouraged everyone else in Nova Squadron to lie and cover up the truth. He never showed any remorse for what happened. Paris falsified reports at first, but eventually admitted what he'd done. Locarno would never have done that.
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Old February 7 2014, 11:40 PM   #27
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Locarno openly encouraged everyone else in Nova Squadron to lie and cover up the truth. He never showed any remorse for what happened. Paris falsified reports at first, but eventually admitted what he'd done. Locarno would never have done that.
Pity we never actually got a chance to see if he would have, I don't know, developed into someone who might have.
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Old February 8 2014, 06:25 AM   #28
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Same reason every time the name "Droid" is used to advertise a phone, George Lucas has to get paid for it. "Droid" is trademarked under Lucas Entertainment.
Droid may be trademarked, but ANdroid is a different word. Lucas has no say in that one.
Kinda why I put "Droid" in quotes.
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Old February 8 2014, 12:48 PM   #29
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Jumped onto my mind:

Janeway to 'Locarno': "So you go with the name Tom Paris now, why?"

'Locarno': "Let's just say, it is and'll stay my 'Nom de Voyage', ok? Please don't tell anyone!"
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Old February 8 2014, 01:06 PM   #30
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Same reason every time the name "Droid" is used to advertise a phone, George Lucas has to get paid for it. "Droid" is trademarked under Lucas Entertainment.
Droid may be trademarked, but ANdroid is a different word. Lucas has no say in that one.
Kinda why I put "Droid" in quotes.
But Exodus is right: Motorola Droid models are exactly what he is talking about. Motorola must pay Lucas for the use of the word Droid.
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