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Old February 5 2014, 07:29 AM   #16
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Re: How do you escape an alternate timeline?

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Old Spock already did move between time lines in Star trek Eleven. Nero moved backward through the prime time line, emerged in the prime time line, made changes that producing an alternate time line.
Nero's mere presence in 2233 is already a change, so it's already an alternate timeline just by virtue of his being there.

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How did he get from the prime into the alternate?
Presumably this is because they went into the same black hole, which had already established a connection to the alternate by that point.

JirinPanthosa wrote:
Honestly the whole alternate timeline thing was just a contrived way not to piss off fans by claiming to wipe out all the events of the show they know and love.
And people say this all the time, yet it's still nothing more than unsubstantiated speculation.

bbjeg wrote:
The fact he didn't cease to exist after Vulcan's destruction makes me believe he's not connected to his timeline anyway.
I don't get this. Why should he have ceased to exist after Vulcan's destruction?
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Old February 5 2014, 03:43 PM   #17
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Re: How do you escape an alternate timeline?

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The fact he didn't cease to exist after Vulcan's destruction makes me believe he's not connected to his timeline anyway.
I don't get this. Why should he have ceased to exist after Vulcan's destruction?
It was possible for Spock to restore the Timeline when he appeared (though unlikely) but after Vulcan's destruction, Prime Spock and all of his exploits, like creating the red matter ship on Vulcan, would have never happened. How can you make a ship on a planet, go back in time, destroy that planet, and still have that ship made on that planet.

It's not like if you cut NuSpock, Prime Spock would have a scar, and it's not like Prime Spock saw the destruction of Vulcan, blinked his eyes, and said "I totally remember making the red matter ship on New Vulcan". I believe Prime Spock's timeline must exist in order for him to alter NuTrek's timeline.

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Old February 5 2014, 03:45 PM   #18
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Assuming he has a time machine, he could go back to the point where the Narada emerges in the past and destroy it before it does anything, then go back to the future. It wouldn't be his timeline exactly, but it'd be close enough.
Humm. What you're suggestion seems to be a bit similar to the 'Back to the Future II' method but that was dealing with one timeline that was altered.

The timeline splits at the point that Nero arrives and destroys the Kelvin or even before that when the Kelvin scans her.

So that alternate timeline no. 1 was created then and branched off so to speak.

But could Spock go back to before Nero arrived and then travel to the future of the prime timeline before it was changed or would he just be jumping into alternate timeline no. 1 again? If so then the arrival of Nero must mean that the alternate timeline is not just from a split point but effects everything in past, present and future.
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Old February 5 2014, 09:29 PM   #19
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Re: How do you escape an alternate timeline?

Guys, the number one rule of Star Trek fandom is, don't try to make sense of time travel physics.

It's pretty clear from the context of the movie that in the Abramsverse, nothing exists from the original timeline except for Spock.

Ok, ok. There's one way Spock can get back to his original timeline. Go back in time to 2015, find Biff Tanen and eat his brain. Then he will steal his superpower to go back in time, change the past, then get back into your original unchanged timeline.
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Old February 5 2014, 09:44 PM   #20
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Re: How do you escape an alternate timeline?

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Guys, the number one rule of Star Trek fandom is, don't try to make sense of time travel physics.
This. Going by "Time Squared", Spock, Nero and their ships should have faded away once they started making changes.
It's pretty clear from the context of the movie that in the Abramsverse, nothing exists from the original timeline except for Spock.
Eh, Admiral Marcus' desk was packed with references to pre-TOS happenings:

-Aries IV from VOY: "One Small Step"
-The Phoenix from ST:FC
-The Ringship Enterprise from ENT and TMP background art
-NX-Alpha from ENT: "First Flight"
-Enterprise NX-01 from the ENT TV series.

I say they were no accident, but confirmation of Bob Orci's statements about a branching timeline with an unchanged pre-2233 past.

Plus, they bent over backwards to explain how and why Khan was awoken years before "Space Seed", and there was even a deleted scene where Carol explains why she has a British accent in this timeline.
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Old February 6 2014, 03:20 AM   #21
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The biggest mish-mosh of temporal craziness was in the movie "Frequency". But in that case it was caused by a funky Aurora Borealis, which waxed and waned so that inconsistency wasn't a problem. I've said, in another thread, that it might be that the effects are governed by the method of time travel. Even in "Voyage Home" Spock said that things might be thrown off by the additional weight of the whales and water, so....................
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Old February 6 2014, 05:32 PM   #22
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Guys, the number one rule of Star Trek fandom is, don't try to make sense of time travel physics.
Making sense of bullsh*t is what we do best.
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Old February 6 2014, 11:39 PM   #23
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^Amen to that.
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