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Old February 5 2014, 03:43 AM   #31
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I get what Shik is saying. Though I would enjoy a multi-armed Doctor, for emergencies or checking my temperature, it could induce stress or mental anguish on fragile patients. Waking up from that phaser shot to a super fast multi-armed Doctor could be jarring.

A hologram nurse Ogawa equivalent would have been warranted, especially after he got the mobile emitter and freed up space able to duplicate his program into.
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Old February 5 2014, 03:59 AM   #32
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Learning Curve.

Tuvok's night classes should have grown to include the rest of the crew who just wanted to upskill.
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Old February 5 2014, 07:17 AM   #33
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^That's all very welll and good. However in the fictional world you are the Captain of ship with a 70 year journey home and only 1 Doctor and no nurse, would you not think it prudent to say start training someoneelse to fufuil that role, just in case something unforseen should happen to the only 1 you've got?
You answered your own question with the word "fictional".
Nothing unforeseen happens in a fictional world.

If Robert Picardo isn't leaving the show, this isn't an issue.

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I find it pretty ridiculous in "Caretaker" the ship only seemed to have two medical staff to being with (a doctor and his Vulcanoid nurse) on a ship with 141 crew.
How many medical staff personnel is required to fly from DS9 to the Badlands and back?
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Old February 5 2014, 07:38 AM   #34
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^That Year of Hell episode (from Kes' point of view) showed how bad it could be without the Doctor. You'd think Kes would have warned Janeway then about considering training more people.
She probably did, but seeing as how in TYoH 2-parter they'd all forgotten Kes existed and had experienced it for herself then they have only themselves to blame.
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Old February 5 2014, 08:01 AM   #35
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i agree with the several people that expressed confusion about why the heck there was only one doctor in the first place. Starfleet had THAT much faith in mostly un-field tested holographic medical technology? Considering Starfleet's propensity for having backup systems for their backup systems, that staffing choice makes zero sense.
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Old February 5 2014, 08:10 AM   #36
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Any catastrophe that one doctor couldn't handle, is likely to kill the entire crew ten minutes later.

Depreciating returns y'know?
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Old February 5 2014, 08:11 AM   #37
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And unless Kes had some kind of special advantage...next to Neelix, she's the LAST person to train.

"Oh, let's train the alien who has never even seen our species before, and has zero training with our tech."
I always assumed that because Kes only lived 9 years she was able to learn much faster then other species.
No assumption.
It takes a 4 yr degree to be a nurse, Kes learned it in a few months.
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Old February 5 2014, 10:03 AM   #38
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No assumption whatsoever.

(Kes returns the PADDs.)
KES: I've finished these and I'm ready for more.
EMH: You've finished those already?
KES: I enjoyed studying anatomy. It would be interesting to see an autopsy sometime.
EMH: What are the bones of the middle ear?
KES: Malleus, incus and stapes.
EMH: And the connective tissue between the middle and the external auditory canal?
KES: The tympanic membrane.
EMH: Hmm. I suspect you have an eidetic memory. An astonishing gift. I'll do a full neural scan on you at some point.
Can you imagine Kes running into sick bay every morning for months always with the same question... "Has someone died yet who I can pull to pieces for fun?"
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Old February 5 2014, 10:52 AM   #39
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i agree with the several people that expressed confusion about why the heck there was only one doctor in the first place. Starfleet had THAT much faith in mostly un-field tested holographic medical technology? Considering Starfleet's propensity for having backup systems for their backup systems, that staffing choice makes zero sense.
It is still possible there was more than one Doctor, given that it was supposed to be a fortnight mission or so to the badlands. There might have been picking up more medical staff at the end of the mission. But if the ship was never meant to really leave Federation space it might have only been assigned a minimal medical staff as help would never be far away.
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Old February 5 2014, 03:23 PM   #40
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^I bet they altered that standard after Voyager's return. I'm sure some Admiral got an earful from Janeway on the topic.
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Old February 5 2014, 10:39 PM   #41
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Guy Gardener wrote: View Post
No assumption whatsoever.

(Kes returns the PADDs.)
KES: I've finished these and I'm ready for more.
EMH: You've finished those already?
KES: I enjoyed studying anatomy. It would be interesting to see an autopsy sometime.
EMH: What are the bones of the middle ear?
KES: Malleus, incus and stapes.
EMH: And the connective tissue between the middle and the external auditory canal?
KES: The tympanic membrane.
EMH: Hmm. I suspect you have an eidetic memory. An astonishing gift. I'll do a full neural scan on you at some point.
Can you imagine Kes running into sick bay every morning for months always with the same question... "Has someone died yet who I can pull to pieces for fun?"
She could've gotten bored waiting and bumped off an unwitting redshirt

Also for a species that lives only nine years and develops to adulthood within their first, they would have to be able to absorb and store a considerable amount of information quickly and easily, so in that regard she is the best candidate to train as a medic.

What about the ship's life science specialist (the biochemists and xenobiologists onboard) wouldn't they have made decent medics, already knowing some of the basics. Then there are going to be those who underwent the same emergency medical course Worf did, making them basic field medics. Then there is the Juliet Jurot conundrum.
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Old February 6 2014, 12:56 AM   #42
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You'd think Kes would have warned Janeway then about considering training more people.
If she could even get to Captain Sad Sack, locked in her quarters and crying in a dark corner for months like she was.
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then maybe they'd have brought in Andy Dick full-time
Impressive. You've come up with a potentially realistic way that they could have made Voyager dramatically worse. :shudder:
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Old February 6 2014, 01:34 AM   #43
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Maybe they all died in "Caretaker". All the medical personnel! And science officers...
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Old February 6 2014, 01:35 AM   #44
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What we needed to see is the EMH hovering over one injured crew member while his 7 arms are snaked out all over sickbay attending to multiple other injured crew members (which he can see through his hands). Because he totally could do this.
Undoubtedly. The question is, though, should he? How many humanoid types would feel comfortable with what amounts to an Elder God (or at the very least, a Thermian) waving wandage in their faces?

Again, we keep with what is comfortable & familiar so as to soothe the senses despite the enhanced abilities & efficiencies of modified types. Otherwise, why not just make the EMH take the form of sentient holographic gas? That would certainly be the most efficient diagnostic form.
I didn't say he should be doing 7 pap smears at once. If you're INJURED you will feel comfortable being treated regardless of what form the medical personnel are in.
Laughed out loud at this.
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Old February 6 2014, 01:55 AM   #45
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^That Year of Hell episode (from Kes' point of view) showed how bad it could be without the Doctor. You'd think Kes would have warned Janeway then about considering training more people.
Perhaps she tried, but made the mistake of broaching the topic before Janeway had her coffee.
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