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Old February 2 2014, 10:03 PM   #31
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If Rowling hadn't written only ONE major female, introduced Luna sooner, reduced Hermione's importance and maintained Ginny as a major character after the second book, the ship wars never would've gotten so bad.
We lost so many fans in the wars... so many good young men and women! And for WHAT?! So Grint and Watson could publicly josh about how awkward it was to snog on camera? Was it worth it? WAS ANY OF IT WORTH IT AT ALL?!?!
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Old February 3 2014, 01:47 AM   #32
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Not really, but then again this is pretty much my reaction at this point:

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Old February 3 2014, 03:19 AM   #33
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I have to say, Rowling's continued need to "rewrite" the Potter series to the point where she continually alters the perceptions of the characters annoys me to no end.

Though, admittedly, that's a purely emotional response, and it's been strong enough that I've not really considered the matter from a rational or artistic perspective.
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Old February 3 2014, 04:07 AM   #34
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Vindication!! Haha! She called us 'delusional' back and in the day and now she turns that around.
Nope. Emerson Spartz used the word "delusional." Rowling went out of her way to NOT call the shippers that.

http://www.mugglenet.com/jkrinterview2.shtml

Anyway, I always loved Ginny's adorable crush on Harry so I'm glad the books took the direction they did.
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Old February 3 2014, 04:15 AM   #35
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Though, admittedly, that's a purely emotional response, and it's been strong enough that I've not really considered the matter from a rational or artistic perspective.


"Search your feelings..."







IGN Movies points out that, at least in the quotes leaked so far, Rowling doesn't actually endorse H/H...
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Old February 3 2014, 04:20 AM   #36
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Old February 3 2014, 03:09 PM   #37
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IGN Movies points out that, at least in the quotes leaked so far, Rowling doesn't actually endorse H/H...
Heh, I think that's a good point. I think there is literary merit to Harry ending up with Ginny beyond "shipper" fantasies, for what it's worth.

During this debate somewhere else, I stumbled upon this article: Erased by Time and Blockbusters: The Cautionary Tale of Ron Weasley

So a little while back I was going on about Neville Longbottom, expounding on his virtues and heroics. And something sort of sinister cropped up in the process—I learned that a healthy slice of fandom harbors disdain or outright vitriol toward Ronald Weasley.

And... I really don’t understand that. Not in the slightest. But I do have a theory about why the waters might be growing even more unfriendly toward the less flashy member of the Potter trinity.
...

But there’s perhaps something more subtle at work here as well. Where films are more recent in public memory, they can sometimes overwrite their fictional underpinnings. Is it possible that much of this Ron-hate is coming from people who are confusing canon-Ron with Ron-on-film?

Let’s start that examination with a little set-up. When Steve Kloves (who wrote the majority of the Potter screenplays) met J.K. Rowling for the first time, he told her straight up that Hermione was his favorite character. Rowling admitted to being relieved, and who could blame her? It was more likely for Hermione to end up disrespected on screen—she wouldn’t be the first female hero to get butchered in the reels.

But this resulted in an undercutting of Ron’s entire character from the first movie. Don’t believe it? When the trio go after the Philosopher’s Stone, they face a series of tests that demand each of their skills in turn. Time likely demanded that this sequence be cut down, and so Hermione’s test—solving Professor Snape’s potion riddle—was removed entirely. To make up for this, she gets them out of the Devil’s Snare, Professor Sprout’s deadly plant. Hermione shouts to Harry and Ron to relax so the foliage will release them—but Ron continues to panic and moan (in campiest fashion possible because he’s played by a child actor and these things are always requested of them), requiring Hermione to blast the thing with a sunlight spell.

In the book, Hermione is the one who panics. She remembers what her lessons taught her—that the Devil’s Snare will recoil at fire—but balks at their lack of matches while they are being strangled to death. Ron immediately shrieks to the rescue YOU ARE A WITCH YOU HAVE A WAND YOU KNOW SPELLS [s]WHAT ARE MATCHES[/s].

It’s a simple change, but it makes such a marked difference in how both characters come off to an audience. Rather than a near-infant, incapable of following the clearest directions, Ron is the even-keeled nitty-gritty one. He’s a tactician, the one who will find the simplest answer to a problem provided that the situation is dire enough to ensure his clear head. Ron is good under pressure and brave to boot. He’s also hilarious.
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Old February 3 2014, 06:14 PM   #38
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There's the movies, there's also that Rowling more or less admitted that she ran out of ideas of what to do with Ron halfway through the series and found it easier to make him the Series' Punching Bag character who's always abused and belittled by everyone.
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Old February 3 2014, 11:28 PM   #39
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That said... I was actually fine with Ginny once I got used to the idea. She was pretty much an empty shell of a character during the first books but later on I thought Rowling actually developed her quite well as an independent, strong, intelligent girl. She certainly wasn't the silly little girl admiring Harry anymore. She seemed strong enough (as a character) to be his equal which explains why I was sad that her role in the last book wasn't bigger. I understand that Rowling wanted to focus on the three friends but excluding Ginny at that point felt artificial to me.
See, (and I hate to harp on about this everytime one of these threads turns up, but oh well...) I didn't think Ginny was an empty shell of a character until she became an independant, strong, intelligent girl. Or at least, until she became just that, because she lost any of the vulnerability that made all the other main characters interesting. I mean, most if not all of us been nervous around a crush, all made mistakes with who we're friends with; she was very relatable. Then she grows up, defines herself apart from her crush, but we're reminded of her past traumas (in a great scene) and she gets taken out by Deatheaters because like everyone else at the ministry she's still a young teen in over her head. It wasn't until Half Blood Prince when she lost that relatability that she stopped appealing to me, especially coming as it did with Harry finally noticing her. It seemed like JKR was saying, the main male character's girlfriend must be perfect for him, she can't have any flaws so I'll not write her with any.

And that's why I can take or leave everything else but for me Ginny is the most disappointing aspect of the last two books.
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Old February 3 2014, 11:28 PM   #40
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That said... I was actually fine with Ginny once I got used to the idea. She was pretty much an empty shell of a character during the first books but later on I thought Rowling actually developed her quite well as an independent, strong, intelligent girl. She certainly wasn't the silly little girl admiring Harry anymore. She seemed strong enough (as a character) to be his equal which explains why I was sad that her role in the last book wasn't bigger. I understand that Rowling wanted to focus on the three friends but excluding Ginny at that point felt artificial to me.
Yeah, those are pretty much my exact thoughts. My biggest disappointment is she got virtually no attention at all in the final book. I get that she isn't one of the three, but she was a close fourth.
Thirded. The films did an especial disservice to Ginny by gutting virtually all of her interesting material from Order of the Phoenix. I've seen Bonnie Wright criticized plenty and she's still not who I picture as Ginny - Castle's Molly Quinn with a British accent would be closer - but it's unfair because they gave her virtually nothing worthwhile to do (note: I haven't seen Half-Blood Prince, but the book was so mehhh anyway).

I'm still at heart somewhat more of a Harry/Hermione shipper than Hermione/Ron, but I'm okay with the latter and I like Harry/Ginny a lot. Luna and Neville are clearly destined to be together.

Somewhere there's an interesting novel that tells the events of Deathly Hallows focusing on the "Mirror Trinity" of Neville, Ginny, and Luna's resistance efforts at Hogwarts during that year.

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During this debate somewhere else, I stumbled upon this article: Erased by Time and Blockbusters: The Cautionary Tale of Ron Weasley
Yeah, the "Ron the Death Eater" stuff was always ridiculous shipper nonsense, and its a shame that the movies sidelined him.
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Old February 3 2014, 11:41 PM   #41
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Forgot to add, thanks for linking that article Alidar Jarok, good read.

Somewhere there's an interesting novel that tells the events of Deathly Hallows focusing on the "Mirror Trinity" of Neville, Ginny, and Luna's resistance efforts at Hogwarts during that year.
I wouldn't mind reading that actually, I'm sure there's at least one decent fanfic out there about it.
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Old February 3 2014, 11:57 PM   #42
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I have to say, Rowling's continued need to "rewrite" the Potter series to the point where she continually alters the perceptions of the characters annoys me to no end.

Though, admittedly, that's a purely emotional response, and it's been strong enough that I've not really considered the matter from a rational or artistic perspective.
^this

though I don't have an emotional bond with the series so I'd like to think it's more of a rational or artistic perspective.

Let the books stand as they were written. They obviously struck a cord with countless people. They went far beyond their target audience. Respect that relationship people have with the book as it was and stop talking about it. How are people picking it up from now on supposed to interpret these relationships and characters?
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Old February 4 2014, 12:50 AM   #43
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Forgot to add, thanks for linking that article Alidar Jarok, good read.

Somewhere there's an interesting novel that tells the events of Deathly Hallows focusing on the "Mirror Trinity" of Neville, Ginny, and Luna's resistance efforts at Hogwarts during that year.
I wouldn't mind reading that actually, I'm sure there's at least one decent fanfic out there about it.
I had hoped the extra space of two movies would have allowed for a scene or two, but it was not to be.
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Old February 4 2014, 12:57 AM   #44
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But there’s perhaps something more subtle at work here as well. Where films are more recent in public memory, they can sometimes overwrite their fictional underpinnings.
HP canon is a funny thing. The Ron Weasley Wikipedia artice has a big ol' picture of Grint front and center in the infobox, as most screen-based characters do, whereas Elijah Wood only appears at the end of the Frodo Baggins article. Something about the overlapping creation of the books and movies, as well as Rowling's light but important involvement in the latter, muddies the waters. I think most of us would say that Emma Watson "is" Hermione, say, in a way we wouldn't say that Dakota Blue Richards "is" Lyra Belacqua, even though Philip Pullman consulted on the Golden Compass movie also.



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Old February 5 2014, 09:55 PM   #45
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JK should just re-edit the books to suit her evolving ideas and release them as "Special Editions." Fans always love that sort of thing.
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