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Old February 12 2014, 04:08 PM   #46
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Re: Star Trek 3: Classic Trek or original story?

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ST3 = reboot of Treks II & VI (again).

set after the Enterprises 5 year mission. an augment worshipping nut wakes up a furious Khan (like the engineer in Prometheus) and he breaks out of Area 51 with some of his followers (most are killed in the escape) hijacks science ship Reliant which is running tests on the new Genesis device (constructed by Carol Marcus) and plots revenge on the Federation (& Kirk/Spock)

meanwhile the klingons have been plotting an invasion of the federation after the khanage in STID, led by the sinister Colonel Chang and the brutal Captain Kruge (kirk vs khan vs klingons = total Khanage!)

title = 'Star Trek Vengeance of Khan'

tagline - 'At the end of darkness....lies vengeance'

*Guest stars- Bryan Cranston as Chang, Gerard Butler as Kruge, Gary Oldman as Gorkon, Jason Moma as Lt Worf, Taylor Kitch as Joachim.
*Cameos- Arnold Schwarzenegger - Klingon Emperor, Harrison Ford - Head of Starfleet, Scott Bakula - Captain Archer, Brent Spiner - Dr Arik Soong, Patrick Stewart - Picards ancestor, Leonard Nimoy - Old Spock (surprise!) & William Shatner - Old Kirk(big surprise!)
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Guest stars- Benedict Cumberbatch as Khan, Alice Eve as Dr Marcus, Bryan Cranston as Colonel Chang, Jason Moma as Capt Kruge, Jeremy Irons as Gorkon, Taylor Kitch as Joachim, Chiwetel Ejiofor as Capt Terrel

*Cameos- Arnold Schwarzenegger - Klingon Emperor, Harrison Ford - Head of Starfleet, Stephen Collins - Admiral Decker, Scott Bakula - Captain Archer, Brent Spiner - Dr Soong, Patrick Stewart - Picards ancestor, Michael Dorn - Worfs ancestor, Leonard Nimoy - Spock Prime, William Shatner - Old Kirk, Richardo Montalban - Khan (CG flashback) ..
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Old February 15 2014, 05:31 PM   #47
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Re: Star Trek 3: Classic Trek or original story?

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Do you know what? I wouldn't have a problem with that one bit
although it was abit of a fun story now i think about it neither would I..

Gorkon/Worf could oppose Chang/kruge.

khan would be full on 'wrath of khan' khan out for revenge

everything more 'ST Movie' looking in regard to the uniforms, sets, ships, mushroom spacedock etc as itd be set 5 years plus after STID


plus plenty off cameos for the 50th:

Bakula/Spiner as Archer/Soong in an 22nd century Augment opening, or library footage that kirk spock check out to help with khan(maybe even on a holodeck sim to These are the Voyages.. fooling the audience type thing) maybe Spiner as the nut who wakes up Khan (as Arik or Noonian Soong)

Stewart as grandfather Picard (see Generations Picard/Troi scene for potential profession)

Nimoy in something more than phoneaSpock duty. returns to his home timeline?

and Shatner in a fanpleasing end cameo as old Pine Kirk (not Prime Kirk) maybe with old Quinto Spock (something like Cloud Atlas)
Stephen Collins as Matt Decker (father of his character in TMP, hed be older than Matt Deckers supposed to be but then so was Greenwood as Pike)

Dorn as Worfs grandfather (same character he played in VI but younger. hed be under a ton of makeup so age wouldn't be a problem)

and 1967 Montalban in a CG cameo (like 1984 Arnie in T4, Young Bridges in Tron2) in a flashback showing the end of the Eugenic Wars/Botany Bay/Revival and how he came to have his face changed (currently being explained in the IDW comics)
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Old February 15 2014, 10:08 PM   #48
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(like 1984 Arnie in T4, ...
That wasn't CG Arnie in the same way CG Bridges was CLU. It was actually Roland Kickinger, who played 1970s era Arnie in a biopic:

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0419125/...nm_flmg_act_15
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Old February 15 2014, 10:29 PM   #49
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(like 1984 Arnie in T4, ...
That wasn't CG Arnie in the same way CG Bridges was CLU. It was actually Roland Kickinger, who played 1970s era Arnie in a biopic:
He was the body, but he had Arnold's face digitally rendered over top of his.
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Old February 17 2014, 07:34 PM   #50
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Re: Star Trek 3: Classic Trek or original story?

We absolutely don't need a re-make of the same movie. How would that advance the Star Trek saga? We want new stories, at least the last two movies were original even if they were based in part on (but altered elements of past stories).
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Old February 18 2014, 03:25 AM   #51
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ST 09 wasn't really original. It was an entertaining movie, but it too was a bit of a Wrath of Khan /Nemesis rehash.

We've had a final showdown with a giant badass enemy ship for the last three movies now. We've had a punchup with the villain for the last four (including Insurrection)
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Old February 18 2014, 03:26 AM   #52
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I wouldn't mind them looking to TOS, and remaking or using ideas from past episodes on the big screen. 'Arena', 'Devil in the Dark', 'The Doomsday Machine', 'Shore Leave', 'Errand of Mercy' would make cool movies.
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Old February 18 2014, 08:52 AM   #53
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We absolutely don't need a re-make of the same movie. How would that advance the Star Trek saga? We want new stories, at least the last two movies were original even if they were based in part on (but altered elements of past stories).
yeah but this Star Trek is Blockbuster Trek. They are following the SW and TDK trilogies, that way of thinking/doing stuff. There wont be some pontificating 2001/TMP type hard SF film. It'll be another action movie - with the klingons (and maybe Khan again, like Vader) with some homage heavy stuff for the 50th

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Old February 18 2014, 12:29 PM   #54
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It'll be another action movie - with the klingons (and maybe Khan again, like Vader) with some homage heavy stuff for the 50th
I wonder how they can represent this homage stuff in the nuTrek-movie. All real Star Trek stories belong to Prime Universe. They have only one persuasive reference to the Prime Universe (PrimeSpock). Not enough, IMO.
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Old February 18 2014, 02:24 PM   #55
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It'll be another action movie - with the klingons (and maybe Khan again, like Vader) with some homage heavy stuff for the 50th
I wonder how they can represent this homage stuff in the nuTrek-movie. All real Star Trek stories belong to Prime Universe. They have only one persuasive reference to the Prime Universe (PrimeSpock). Not enough, IMO.
Ignoring the "real Trek" silliness, you missed all the Trek references in the last two movies??
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Old February 18 2014, 04:03 PM   #56
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Ignoring the "real Trek" silliness, you missed all the Trek references in the last two movies??
If you wouldn't mind, could you bring some examples of such references?

As for me, the Abram's Universe is something entirely different. This universe is a newborn and it needs to be carefully and thoroughly developed.
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Old February 18 2014, 04:49 PM   #57
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Ignoring the "real Trek" silliness, you missed all the Trek references in the last two movies??
If you wouldn't mind, could you bring some examples of such references?

As for me, the Abram's Universe is something entirely different. This universe is a newborn and it needs to be carefully and thoroughly developed.
Way too many to list here. Young Spock being bullied was from "Journey to Babel" and "Yesteryear", Spock talking about Kolinahr is a reference to TMP where he actually does it, Spock choosing Starfleet over the Vulcan Science Academy is from "Journey to Babel" again, Kirk's Kobayashi Maru test, cheat and even him eating an apple while doing it is from Star Trek II: The Wrath of Khan, the Katric Arc mentioned is from the old novel The Lost Years (some of which came up in the last season of Enterprise), the name 'Delta Vega' is from "Where No Man Has Gone Before" (although it's a different planet), Scotty has a tribble in his lab, McCoy's divorce is from the original series bible and several old novels, Majel Barrett Rodenberry did some computer voice work (she was the computer voice throughout Prime Universe Trek), the elder Spock is referred to as 'Ambassador Spock' by the Romulans, his title from "Unification"

Into Darkness has even more, but the most obvious are the models of pre-timeline split Trek ships on Admiral Marcus' desk (including the Phoenix from First Contact, the Aries IV from VOY: "One Small Step", the NX-Alpha from ENT: "First Flight" and the Enterprise NX-01), Khan from "Space Seed" and STII, Carol Marcus from STII, the scene where Kirk dies in the warp core, a reversal of Spock's famous death also when battling Khan...

EDIT: Forgot 'the Mudd incident' Sulu mentions (and it's his impounded ship Kirk and co fly to Kronos in) and McCoy mentioning delivering Gorn octuplets. Oh, and the Kenthra Provice of Kronos they land in is where DS9's Martok grew up. And the destroyed moon is Praxis, which has exploded 25 years earlier in this timeline.

There are many, many more.
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Old February 18 2014, 05:13 PM   #58
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^^ Thank you, King Daniel Into Darkness, now I understand, what do you mean.
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Old February 19 2014, 12:09 AM   #59
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King Daniel Into Darkness wrote:
Forgot 'the Mudd incident' Sulu mentions (and it's his impounded ship Kirk and co fly to Kronos in)
Hers, actually.
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Old February 19 2014, 06:29 AM   #60
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Re: Star Trek 3: Classic Trek or original story?

Roberto Orci has professed his fondness for the TOS novel Prime Directive, and I think it'd make a hugely awesome STXIII.
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