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Old February 1 2014, 04:33 AM   #1
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The ony thing wrong with Trials and Tribble-ations

I understand not using the original music, but the creators should have taken that as a challenge to come up with NEW TOS-type music.
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Old February 1 2014, 05:23 AM   #2
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Yeah, the bar fight is kinda boring with the typical Rick Berman background drone music.
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Old February 1 2014, 07:26 AM   #3
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In terms of sound, I think it was bizarre that the TOS and DS9 characters don't sound like they occupation the same space. Kirk et al sound tinny and trebly. The DS9 characters sound full voice and resonate when they speak. Only when Sisko gets Kirks autograph do they aurally put them in the same space.
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Old February 1 2014, 09:01 AM   #4
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^That scene wasn't even from the original Tribbles episode. It was from Mirror, Mirror.
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Old February 1 2014, 02:12 PM   #5
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^Why would that affect how Sisko would sound in this scene, not the others? There was a sound engineers choice at work.
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Old February 1 2014, 02:29 PM   #6
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Well the original music might not have been used so as to avoid having to pay royalties. Trials would already be a fairly expensive episode. As for sound differences that might be down simply to changes in tech from the 1960's to the 1990's.
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Old February 1 2014, 06:11 PM   #7
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Well the original music might not have been used so as to avoid having to pay royalties. Trials would already be a fairly expensive episode. As for sound differences that might be down simply to changes in tech from the 1960's to the 1990's.
I still don't see where the confusion is. Sound engineers used the same analog technology in the 1990s that they did in the 1960s--reverbs, equalizers, compressors. Moreover, it doesn't explain why Sisko's voice was modified (at least part of the way) to make him sound more like he was filmed in the 1960s, as opposed to the rest of the episode, which sounds like the 1990s.
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Old February 1 2014, 06:19 PM   #8
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The only thing that bugs me is they changed the sound effect of the intercom button on Kirk's chair. In the original episode, when he calls McCoy to the bridge, it makes a simple click noise. In the DS9 ep it goes BLALALALALA!

Yes, a tiny change, but...why make it?
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Old February 1 2014, 06:44 PM   #9
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Yeah, the score to the episode is a disappointment. Even Ronald D. Moore has said as much.
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Old February 1 2014, 06:54 PM   #10
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Still, within the limits of the musical style of DS9, Dennis McCarthy was able to do a decent Jerry Fielding pastiche.

My main problem is that the Kirk-Sisko scene takes the TOS footage from "Mirror, Mirror" when Kirk is looking at Barbara Luna, who's not very tall, so they had to make Sisko unnaturally short for the shot to work.

Also it kind of bugged me that the episode required them to acknowledge the change in the Klingons' appearance as something that was real in-universe. Before then, it had seemed like the franchise as a whole was following Roddenberry's advice and pretending that Klingons had always had ridges even in TOS, or at least remaining agnostic about it. Well, I don't mind that they acknowledged it so much as the way they handled it. It's hard to believe that the DS9 crew had never heard of ridgeless Klingons before.
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Old February 1 2014, 07:05 PM   #11
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It was only Bashir and O'Brien who definitely didn't know about the Klingons.
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Old February 1 2014, 07:05 PM   #12
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The only thing that bugs me is they changed the sound effect of the intercom button on Kirk's chair. In the original episode, when he calls McCoy to the bridge, it makes a simple click noise. In the DS9 ep it goes BLALALALALA!

Yes, a tiny change, but...why make it?
Because it was a tiny change?
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Old February 1 2014, 07:23 PM   #13
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Also it kind of bugged me that the episode required them to acknowledge the change in the Klingons' appearance as something that was real in-universe. Before then, it had seemed like the franchise as a whole was following Roddenberry's advice and pretending that Klingons had always had ridges even in TOS, or at least remaining agnostic about it. Well, I don't mind that they acknowledged it so much as the way they handled it. It's hard to believe that the DS9 crew had never heard of ridgeless Klingons before.
I thought it was better to make a joke out of it than to give it the treatment Enterprise did.
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Old February 1 2014, 08:03 PM   #14
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Also it kind of bugged me that the episode required them to acknowledge the change in the Klingons' appearance as something that was real in-universe. Before then, it had seemed like the franchise as a whole was following Roddenberry's advice and pretending that Klingons had always had ridges even in TOS, or at least remaining agnostic about it. Well, I don't mind that they acknowledged it so much as the way they handled it. It's hard to believe that the DS9 crew had never heard of ridgeless Klingons before.
I thought it was better to make a joke out of it than to give it the treatment Enterprise did.
Yeah, I took it as a joke and I thought it was brilliant. Really the whole episode was a lighthearted gem. I think the beginning set the tone. It was a valentine (in the TRUE sense of the word) for the fans. Not everything has to be by the book. DS9 took several asides like this that aren't meant to be taken so seriously. And I love that. "Take Me Out to the Holosuite" comes to mind. "Badda-Bing, Badda-Bang" -- I love the scene where the crew are dressed up walking through the promenade. It's unrealistic even in the fictional universe of DS9, of course, but to me it was a great moment! It's like once in a while the producers would sometimes say "lighten up, people, we're just making a TV show after all! Enjoy it!" I, for one, loved it!
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Old February 2 2014, 09:20 AM   #15
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I did too! I loved "Badda Bing," and thought of it as Trek meets "Ocean's Eleven."
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