RSS iconTwitter iconFacebook icon

The Trek BBS title image

The Trek BBS statistics

Threads: 139,613
Posts: 5,426,056
Members: 24,809
Currently online: 458
Newest member: velour

TrekToday headlines

IDW Publishing December Trek Comics
By: T'Bonz on Sep 17

September Loot Crate Features Trek Surprise
By: T'Bonz on Sep 16

USS Enterprise Miniature Out For Refit
By: T'Bonz on Sep 16

Star Trek/Planet of the Apes Comic Crossover
By: T'Bonz on Sep 16

Trek 3 Shooting Next Spring?
By: T'Bonz on Sep 16

Star Trek: Alien Domain Game Announced
By: T'Bonz on Sep 15

Red Shirt Diaries Episode Three
By: T'Bonz on Sep 15

Made Out Of Mudd Photonovel
By: T'Bonz on Sep 15

Takei Has Growth Removed
By: T'Bonz on Sep 15

Retro Review: Tears of the Prophets
By: Michelle on Sep 12


Welcome! The Trek BBS is the number one place to chat about Star Trek with like-minded fans. Please login to see our full range of forums as well as the ability to send and receive private messages, track your favourite topics and of course join in the discussions.

If you are a new visitor, join us for free. If you are an existing member please login below. Note: for members who joined under our old messageboard system, please login with your display name not your login name.


Go Back   The Trek BBS > Star Trek TV Series > Star Trek - Original Series

Star Trek - Original Series The one that started it all...

Reply
 
Thread Tools
Old January 22 2014, 01:37 PM   #16
Robert Comsol
Commodore
 
Robert Comsol's Avatar
 
Location: USS Berlin
Re: PD: a captain vows to sacrifice his ship and crew rather...

Jonas Grumby wrote: View Post
I can't think of any situation where starfaring people (complete with starship) dealing with a technologically-inferior, planet-bound (or even limited spaceflight capable) civilization could ever require sacrificing ship and crew. Just leave.
"A star captain's most solemn oath is that he will give his life, even his entire crew, rather than violate the Prime Directive."


Although this could be a textbook quote from Kirk in "The Omega Glory", I rather think it's Kirk's conclusion what Captain Tracey should have done:
  • not to use his superior phaser power and take sides in a conflict that's none of his business but - if necessary - be killed along with the other Kohms
  • not to stay to find a cure, even if his crew would have still been alive
Of course, the whole premise of the episode begs for explanation:
  • Our medi-scanners revealed this planet as perfectly harmless.
  • The villagers, the Kohms here, were friendly enough once they got over the shock of my white skin.
  • I stayed down here to arrange for the planet survey with the village elders.
  • The next thing I knew, the ship was calling me. The landing party had taken an unknown disease back.
So it's okay to beam down in futuristic Starfleet uniforms with futuristic devices and interact with the natives as long as you don't get involved in any local conflicts?

Since Tracey didn't look like a Kohm, I'd say it's safe to assume that he didn't pretend to be a local native but told them what he was and where he came from.

Bob
__________________
"The first duty of every Starfleet officer is to the truth" Jean-Luc Picard
"We can't solve problems by using the same kind of thinking we used when we created them."
Albert Einstein
Robert Comsol is offline   Reply With Quote
Old January 22 2014, 07:25 PM   #17
BillJ
Admiral
 
BillJ's Avatar
 
Location: Covington, Ky.
View BillJ's Twitter Profile
Re: PD: a captain vows to sacrifice his ship and crew rather...

Robert Comsol wrote: View Post
Since Tracey didn't look like a Kohm, I'd say it's safe to assume that he didn't pretend to be a local native but told them what he was and where he came from.
Maybe not. When Kirk and the landing party are first captured in "Bread and Circuses", they simply lie about where they're from and that the Enterprise is a ship at sea.
__________________
"I tell you what you all need, you need to take a thirteenth step, down off your high horse." - Hank Hill, King of the Hill
BillJ is offline   Reply With Quote
Old January 22 2014, 07:33 PM   #18
Warped9
Admiral
 
Warped9's Avatar
 
Location: Brockville, Ontario, Canada
Re: PD: a captain vows to sacrifice his ship and crew rather...

BillJ wrote: View Post
Robert Comsol wrote: View Post
Since Tracey didn't look like a Kohm, I'd say it's safe to assume that he didn't pretend to be a local native but told them what he was and where he came from.
Maybe not. When Kirk and the landing party are first captured in "Bread and Circuses", they simply lie about where they're from and that the Enterprise is a ship at sea.
The bit about "ship at sea" was used in "Bread And Circuses." In "The Omega Glory" the Komms recognize phasers as "fire boxes" so they know Tracey definitely ain't local although his true origin mighn't be known to them. We just don't know. Seeing Sulu and his party materialize in plain view and then defer to Kirk convinced the Yangs that Kirk and his crew were the great God's servant, supernatural beings. Kirk doesn't exactly dissuade them of that notion, but he makes an effort for Cloud William not to fear him and uses the opportunity to try and repair or heal some of what Tracey contributed to.
__________________
STAR TREK: 1964-1991, 2013-?
Warped9 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old January 22 2014, 08:22 PM   #19
Robert Comsol
Commodore
 
Robert Comsol's Avatar
 
Location: USS Berlin
Re: PD: a captain vows to sacrifice his ship and crew rather...

BillJ wrote: View Post
Maybe not. When Kirk and the landing party are first captured in "Bread and Circuses", they simply lie about where they're from and that the Enterprise is a ship at sea.
In that particular case it was easy for them to blend in with the rest of the apparently Caucasian population.

On the other hand, Tracey and landing party looked like civilized savages to the Kohms. Certainly he must have done some explaining, but what really made me scratch my hand is this "arranging a planetary survey".

Does that mean the more advanced the alien civilization is, the more important it is not to hint that you're from outer space?
Do they believe that their appearance in "The Omega Glory" will be dismissed by later generations as a fairy tale just as we dismiss dragons?

@ Warped9

The Kohms recognized the Enterprise landing party's phasers as "fire boxes", obviously because they had seen Tracey use these (which is what makes Spock raise an eyebrow, IIRC).

Bob
__________________
"The first duty of every Starfleet officer is to the truth" Jean-Luc Picard
"We can't solve problems by using the same kind of thinking we used when we created them."
Albert Einstein
Robert Comsol is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply

Bookmarks

Thread Tools

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off

Forum Jump



All times are GMT +1. The time now is 03:50 AM.

Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.6
Copyright ©2000 - 2014, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
FireFox 2+ or Internet Explorer 7+ highly recommended.