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Old January 21 2014, 09:49 PM   #16
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Sounds sound.
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Old January 21 2014, 10:07 PM   #17
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The version I recall was that he was at the studio lot for some other reason, and stopped by to see part of a shoot. But, like I've said before, I got Swiss cheese brain like Sam at the beginning of Quantum Leap.
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Old January 21 2014, 10:46 PM   #18
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Well, there are some pretty significant inconsistencies. In one its reported "during a promotional trip to Memphis", while others refer to an NAACP fundraiser, and whether it was a chance meeting or "was a close friend".
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Old January 21 2014, 10:52 PM   #19
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I'm gonna go ahead and believe it's true, you do whatever you want.
^^This.

I choose to believe it happened.
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Old January 21 2014, 10:59 PM   #20
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Well, there are some pretty significant inconsistencies. In one its reported "during a promotional trip to Memphis", while others refer to an NAACP fundraiser, and whether it was a chance meeting or "was a close friend".
As they say, the Devil's in the details.
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Old January 22 2014, 12:33 AM   #21
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IT's like the gospels!
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Old January 22 2014, 12:39 AM   #22
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The details may be a bit unclear, but overall the different versions of the story all say the same thing.
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Old January 22 2014, 01:02 AM   #23
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IT's like the gospels!
Not hardly.
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Old January 22 2014, 01:07 AM   #24
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IT's like the gospels!
Not hardly.
Only softly.
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Old January 22 2014, 01:53 AM   #25
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Unfortunately, all the "evidence" points to this story being untrue, given how dramatically she has changed it over the years.

a story changing over forty plus years isn't an indication of there being no truth there, just that it's been embellished for dramatic purposes, or that Human memory is obviously faulty. The story may be made up, but "it's changed over the years" doesn't automatically point to "it's not true."
I agree. And the most basic version of the story is probably the most accurate.
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Old January 22 2014, 04:19 AM   #26
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Ok, are there any third parties that have written about the MLK story? Any mention of it in one of Shatner or Nimoy's books, or other books by or interviews with any of the other cast members, producers, or staff?

I would think that, if this story were true, the first thing that Ms. Nichols would have done would have been to immediately tell it to everyone that would listen, which would have included Shatner, Nimoy, Roddenberry, and the dozens of other people that she interacted with on a regular work day at the Trek set.

To put it another way, let's imagine that 10 years ago I had met Steve Jobs, one of my personal heroes and inspirations. I would not have waited until now to tell my geeky friends and coworkers about the most awesome thing that ever happened to me.

Count me as someone that really wants the story to be true, but it just doesn't seem to be, unfortunately.
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Old January 22 2014, 04:21 AM   #27
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Well.. myths are also cool
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Old January 22 2014, 07:29 PM   #28
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I seem to rememeber it (a version) being in Shatner's Trek Memories book, but it been quite a few years.



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Old January 24 2014, 04:27 PM   #29
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Ms. NICHOLS: Well, it's interesting that you said, you know, you would run through the house and look. I met Whoopi Goldberg when Gene was doing The Next Generation and she had told me when Star Trek came on she was nine years old and she said she turned the TV on and saw me and ran through the house screaming: Come quick, come quick. Theres a black lady on TV and she ain't no maid.
I vividly remember one of the TNG documentaries with a Whoopi Goldberg interview and this ^^ is exactly what Whoopi Goldberg said for word for word.

Now either Whoopi Goldberg has memorized this anecdote (and just "replays" it every time she has a chance, which I personally do not believe) or Nichelle Nichols didn't remember the exact wording and chose to copy and paste the text of the interview, instead.

Other than that I have absolutely no doubt, that Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr. felt about Star Trek the way it has been presented here.

According to Whitfield's Making of Star Trek (and the context of the time in which TOS was produced) "By putting a Negro in the crew they might lose the Southern states, by putting a Mexican in the crew they might lose Texas, Arizona, and parts of California, and so forth."

I don't know if that has been properly acknowledged but unless I'm mistaken the second other starship captain in production order featured / mentioned was an African American!

Commodore Stone (Percy Rodriguez) in "Court-Martial" (produced before "The Menagerie" and Captain Pike) explicitly mentions that he had been a starship captain (and in this episode obviously outranks Kirk).

In the airing chronology Commodore Stone was the second character to have been a starship captain (Pike being the first) and "Tomorrow Is Yesterday" suggested there are only 12 (prestigious) starships like the Enterprise.

"Court Martial" was the episode broadcasted right after TY so I can imagine how excited African American audiences (possibly including Dr. King) must have been, that an African American had previously been captain of one of these few 12 starships.

So I could understand that Dr. King saw quite some potential here and asked Nichelle Nichols to stay.

Of course, it took until 1982 until we finally saw an African American captain of a starship.

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Old January 24 2014, 10:21 PM   #30
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I did not know that til yesterday that was so awesome to find that out!!!!!!
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